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Pastimes : Metaphysics and Spiritual Practices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Yorikke who wrote (249)	11/26/1997 9:07:00 PM
From: Harmattan	Respond to of 650

mnmuench, please do not leave us now. I'll be back Tomato has raised some issues that in many ways can be regarded as practice..... Yes he has. IMO, his questions are extremely pertinent. My aggressive tone in response to ACIM lesson #1 invited equally aggressive rebuttal because I feel I am wrong somewhere in the thinking and wanted contrast to highlight my faulty reasoning. My statements should probably be disregarded barring prior preparation. IMO, even just living each day with nobility and gracefulness can be "practice". Is there greater enlightenment than a grief overcome without bitterness? Is there greater beauty than the love in a parent's tears? but the question is can this set of statements, if put into practice, produce some good to the being who utilizes them. "some good" yes, relative to one's aspiration. IMO do you think that a set of practices can be metaphysically unsound, and still provide a path toward the Goal? "the" goal, no; "a" goal, yes. IMO Or are we talking about two different things. Does sound Metaphysics have anything to do, or more precisely, is it determinant in judging a particular set of practices....or does Metaphysics deal with belief systems, with little applicability to practice? "All that exists, in whatever mode this may be, necessarily participates in universal principles, and nothing exists except by participation in these principles, which are the eternal and immutable essences contained in the permanent actuality of the Divine Intellect. Consequently, it can be said that all things, however contingent they may be in themselves, express or represent these principles in their own way and according to order of existance, for otherwise they would be purely and simply nothingness. Thus, from one order to another, all things are linked together and correspond, to come together in total and universal harmony, for harmony is nothing other than the reflection of principial unity in the manifested world: and it is this correspondance which is the veritable basis of symbolism. This is the beginning of metaphysical study." ------Rene Guenon, "Autoite spirituelle et pouvoir temporel" IMO, in the study of metaphysics there is not Knowledge without practice otherwise it is not Knowledge it is knowledge ghunk

To: Yorikke who wrote (249)	11/29/1997 1:26:00 AM
From: Harmattan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 650

hi mnmuench, those were some legit and big questions in post #249. my answers were a bit short but they said exactly what I think. I would like at some point to expand on them (ie. "the Goal" vs "a goal", "relative aspiration" vs "oriented aspiration", what constitutes to be "metaphysically unsound", how far can one practise a metaphysically unsound path without incurring harm? and what is the permanent good or benefit of a lesser path?). I'm sure these questions will either answer themselves re: ACIM or they will show up again at some point. I'm going to keep my opinions on those types of questions mostly to myself for the moment. Let's see what develops down the road through our response to the meditative lessons Tomato posts. The only thing I would like to add at this point is the accelerating rate of change and our increasing desire for the stimulation of our senses has shortened our attention spans with regards to thinking and feeling. This reduces our "field of vision" to something less than what is implied by the biblical verse "Be still and know I am God". regards, ghunk