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To: teevee who wrote (31225)5/3/2012 11:03:13 AM
From: Land Shark  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86355
 
>Solar scientists are now predicting a 1.5 degree drop in temperatures

Please provide a reference to this. I'd like to see it. Climate scientists, who incorporate solar variations in their models, are predicting a rise in global average temperature until the end of the century and beyond. The conclusions of these "Solar Scientists" are NOT supported by mainstream climate science.

Here is a partial list of scientific institutions that have all concluded there is a real danger assocated with AGW (i.e. global warming):
NASA GISS http://www.giss.nasa.gov/
NOAA http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/contents.html
NAS http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
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UK RS http://royalsociety.org/policy/publications/2010/climate–summary-science/ and http://royalsociety.org/Climate-Science-Statement/
AMS http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html
NCAR http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
CMOS http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

This IS the concensus.



To: teevee who wrote (31225)5/3/2012 8:57:02 PM
From: russet4 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86355
 
Here are quotes and observations I pulled off the supposed definitive consensus websites submitted to us by the shark who would want us all punished or killed,...

From the shark who would murder us "Here is a partial list of scientific institutions that have all concluded there is a real danger assocated with AGW (i.e. global warming):"

NASA GISS http://www.giss.nasa.gov/

Mights and maybe's pepper the papers produced from these people clearly showing their work is full of speculations and they are sure of nothing.

NOAA http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

This quote appears in the introduction on this site clearly refuting that a consensus exists,...

"One of the most vigorously debated topics on Earth is the issue of climate change, and the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) data centers are central to answering some of the most pressing global change questions that remain unresolved."

IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/contents.html

IPCC starts with a theory and looks for evidence supporting that theory. When a similar sized group is given similar funding to investigate the alternate theories and views we will start to learn how much of a consensus there is.

A quote from the preface indicated even these alarmists are uncertain about things,...

"Topic 6 highlights robust findings and key uncertainties."?

"Recognise that uncertainties will continue to be pervasive and persistent, and develop or refine new decision-support mechanisms that can identify robust coping strategies even in the face of this uncertainty. Significant uncertainties in estimating the social cost of greenhouse gases exist, and many of their sources have been identified; indeed many of their sources reside in the research needs listed above."

NAS http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html

Uncertainty,...I thought everything was certain,...a quote from one of the books on this site.

Communicating Uncertainties in Weather and Climate Information:
"There is uncertainty in all forecasts, and weather and climate forecasts are no exception. 1"


UK RS http://royalsociety.org/policy/publications/2010/climate–summary-science/ and http://royalsociety.org/Climate-Science-Statement/

The statement below comes from this year's royal society review,...what's this,...they say substantial uncertainties remain and there is intense debate.


"Climate change continues to be a subject of intense public and political debate. Owing to the level of interest in the topic, the Society produced a new guide to the science of climate change in September 2010. The guide summarises the current scientific evidence on climate change and its drivers, highlighting the areas where the science is well established, where there is still some debate, and where substantial uncertainties remain."

AMS http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html

Even the meteorological society suggests there is still uncertainties. From their climate change statement on the above website.

"All these reports recognize the uncertainties in climate projections" and "members offered alternative views on climate change or put quite different emphases on the uncertainties of climate projections."

NCAR http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html

The website above talks of complicating factors and factors affecting climate change they have yet to identify. They don't seem to be too certain either.

Complicating Factors
There are many different factors that complicate this system, including clouds, volcanic eruptions, oceans, and people. Additionally, there are likely factors that affect climate which we have yet to identify.


CMOS http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html

Apparently the Canadians aren't much more certain than anyone above,...

CMOS recognizes that current uncertainties in the scientific understanding of climate limit our ability to predict the nature of future change accurately. In particular, it is unclear to what degree and in which regions Canada will experience an increase of weather extremes

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

And this final website of consensus comes out with this statement,...

There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate.

The shark has just been busted on his consensus bullshit. It is time for the thread moderator to restrict his ad hominem attacks, swearing, attacks on other viewpoints without substantiation and personal viewpoints without references. His posts have become thread garbage that is boring to shovel through on an otherwise interesting thread.