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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87938)	5/4/2012 11:10:35 AM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 89467

Wrong, an awful lot of people jumped to the conclusion Zimmerman was a murderer ... that's what's driven the demand for his arrest and trial. It isn't justice to arrest people if there isn't good evidence to justify a charge. We don't automatically arrest and try for murder every person who kills in self-defense. the fake racist images of Martin as a thug Those images aren't fake ... Martin himself made them. And if you want to talk about fake images, why is the picture of Martin as a cherubic 12 year old still on magazine covers? And as for fake imagery, how about the HIDING of the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head with a networks banner? And consider the fake memes created by the press that Zimmerman had used the words "coon" or had cited Martin's being black for why he was suspicious? The media crucifixion of Zimmerman has been outrageous.

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (87938)	5/4/2012 11:56:33 AM
From: Farmboy	Respond to of 89467

Um .... I did go back and read it, looking for a response. Seems I will have to continue looking. You insist on grilling Zimmerman, no matter what, when the real truth is you nor I know for sure what went down. The images of Martin presented as a smiling 14 year old were as different from the truth as was Zimmerman's 'thug' photo. Seems both may have some degree of a somewhat unsavory past. The press has done a magnificent job of screwing up everything they touched in this whole matter, as have Sharpton, Jackson, and "If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon" Obama. The despicable behavior of Sharpton and Jackson could have been anticipated, and both should be arrested for inciting to riot. What Obama did was unforgivable ... much as what he did in saying the police acted stupidly in the case of the arrest of his 'old friend', resulting in the 'Beer Summit" debacle at the White House. Most men would have learned from that, to keep their opinions to themselves until the facts were known. Not our president. No, he insisted on injecting himself into the middle of another already volatile situation, picking sides based on what? Race? Phony press reports? Certainly not based on facts. A true leader would have called for calm, and urged everyone to allow the system to function as it is designed to function. A true leader doesn't foment riots and hatred. In that, he was no different than the grossly ignorant Sharpton or Jackson. However, you are apparently having problems admitting the truth, or the possibility that you were wrong in your statements on the case. Instead you want to pick and choose little bits here and there, and then cobble them together into something you think should constitute sufficient reason to jump to conclusions. Then, you not only persist in issuing premature judgements, but you also fervently try to defend the inept (at best) actions by Obama - which are, simply, indefensible. However this is the United States of America, where everyone gets their say, and everyone can say and do stupid things. So, it is your right, too, to jump on the bandwagon of the partisan media, and say whatever you want. That's fine. However, when one ignores the facts, and issues their biased 'proclamations' anyway, one must be prepared to own whatever it was they said. My point is not that Zimmerman is guilty or innocent of any wrongdoing. I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not of anything wrong, or if Martin is guilty or innocent of any wrongdoing. And neither do you. My point is Zimmerman should have received the same protection of our system as should anyone - myself or yourself included. The difference between you and I, though, is that I admit I don't know. You appear to insist on skewering someone, though, even in light of the almost total absence of real facts. And you insist on defending others who have jumped on the same bandwagon as yourself, even though their leap, too, was based on an absence of known facts. Therefore, you choose to ignore the very foundation of our justice system - Innocent until PROVEN guilty.