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To: simplicity who wrote (485954)	5/6/2012 3:00:45 PM
From: skinowski	Respond to of 793883

The modern leftist’s impulse rests on the belief that there is a superior elitist class whose thirst for power and wealth knows no bounds The ideas of various "meritocracies", technocracies and other "elitocracies" are as old as the hills. Remember Socrates? "If you want to find out something, will you ask the one man who knows, or a hundred who do not?". This may be, arguably, the most anti-democratic statement ever made. The relevant point is that, IMO, ideas about experts and other elitists running everything are less likely to be the underlying original Leftist impulse, and more likely represent one of the means - a strategy - towards "improving" the world. Of course, there are many bad people out there - subversives, wannabe dictators, haters of America and everything she stands for..... but I think it is not right to write off everyone on the Left into such categories. After all, if I want a person to rethink their views - AND rethink their vote - it behooves me to approach them in a more constructive way.

To: simplicity who wrote (485954)	5/6/2012 5:37:27 PM
From: Stan	8 Recommendations Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 793883

Simplicity, your view vs Skinowski's, in my opinion, differs upon the source of the American leftist Socialist agenda. The improvement/altruistic model would arise from well-meaning internal sources, whereas the disaster model would come from fifth columnists. Once Marxist seeds were planted here from outside (as far back as 1876 with the Socialist Labor Party), like Kudzu, they began their long, inexorable march to crush the life out of the native born conserative/free marketeers. Along the way, native-born liberals were most susceptible to become the innocent dupes in their nefarious plot.