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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Farmboy who wrote (71812)	5/14/2012 9:49:14 PM
From: lorne	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

African-American Church Leaders Condemn Obama For Gay Marriage Support May 13, 2012 Derek Valcourt baltimore.cbslocal.com BALTIMORE (WJZ)– Just days after President Barack Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, pastors and priests around Maryland took to their own pulpits with their reaction– and in some cases– condemnation of the president. Derek Valcourt explains the president’s comments have folks on both sides of the issue fired up. Both sides hope the president’s position helps sway votes in their favor when the issue hits Maryland’s ballot this November. “I think same-sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama said. When Obama announced that his position on same-sex marriage had evolved, it outraged some African-American pastors like Pastor and Del. Emmett Burns. “He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts,’” Burns said. He’s so opposed to same-sex marriage, he told church members he will no longer support the president and now predicts Obama will lose the election because of it. He and many other leaders are pouring their energies into gathering the signatures needed to put Maryland’s same-sex marriage law on the November ballot. “I think it might be a call to action for people to really express what they believe,” Father Erik Arnold of Our Lady of Perpetual Help said. In Maryland, some of the strongest opposition to the law has come from the black community– about 30 percent of the population. Some African-American religious leaders are preaching about it “God said in every home, there needs to be a representation of his glory through manhood and femininity,” Pastor Harry Jackson, Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, said. “To me, this is an issue of the separation of church and state,” Pastor Delman Coates, Enon Baptist Church in Clinton, said. Coates is one of the few black pastors who supports the current law. “We should not allow our subjective theological understandings prevent other citizens of this country from having equal rights,” he said. So far, voters in 30 states have rejected same-sex marriage But equality advocates in Maryland believe the president’s comments are a sign of the changing tide. “The momentum is shifting. I think things are definitely shifting in our direction here,” Ezekiel Jackson of Marylanders for Marriage Equality said. Many African-American pastors say they will still support the president in November even though they may not agree with him on this particular issue. The president’s announcement that he supports same-sex marriage came just one day after voters in North Carolina banned same-sex unions.

To: Farmboy who wrote (71812)	5/14/2012 10:51:36 PM
From: John	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

I appreciate all that you are saying, Farm, but I think the fact that Obama is Black turned out the Black vote in record numbers in 2008, which tipped the scales. Yes, I certainly agree that millions upon millions of Whites would still have voted for the Democratic candidate, come hell or high water, but with the White vote evenly split between normal, descent conservatives on one side, and liberals, radical leftists, and self-loathers on the other, it didn't take much to swing the election in 2008. This is where the Black vote came in. Looking back, President Bush barely defeated Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004. Many Blacks stayed home for those elections. A higher Black turnout in those years could have easily tipped Florida, Virginia, and/or Ohio to Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004, any one of which would have given the election to the Democrats. I don't think the Democratic Party can ever go back to a heterosexual White male candidate now. They've proven that they can easily carry the leftist White vote with a radical Black candidate; one which fires up and turns out the Black, homo, Muslim, and Hispanic/Latino/Mestizo/illegal voting blocs. To that end, the DNC's candidates from now on will be Blacks, homos, illegals, Hispanics, and Muslims. I think the big question now is has Ohio gone permanently Democratic? The same could be asked about Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Florida. These are indeed very frightening times, my friend. Too many in the Republican Party sat on their damned hands, kept their mouths shut, and ultimately voted for social and fiscal measures introduced by Democrats that have ruined our country. Now, the RNC is between a rock and a hard place. For years, they tacitly and actively facilitated the presence of millions of undesirables who hate everything decent that the GOP stands for (or at least once stood for). If they don't move to the left and pacify the miscreants in the years ahead -- when millions of illegal anchor descendants and other future felons grow up and begin voting -- they'll lose. Of course, if they do that, descent conservative Whites will no longer have any voice at all in government; not that we do now. Sadly, I can easily see the GOP supporting gay marriage, amnesty for all illegals, affirmative action, abortion, and more tolerance for minority crime soon in the years ahead. Very disturbing.