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To: Grainne who wrote (13855)	11/25/1997 2:57:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>>The purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee the states' ability to maintain independent militias composed of state residents available to be called upon to defend the country should its security be threatened. Imo, this is the sort of newspeak, the sort of Love is Hate kind of control through language, which makes a mockery out of any pretense to freedom of any kind. The amendment's text says "The people". What could be plainer? The bit about militias and a free state is, I am taught, an elaboration, not a condition. >"The police problem is an acute one not because of the Fourth Amendment, but because of the ease with which anyone can acquire a pistol." Here is where I see a misuse of logic, the sort of thing JFred would point out. The implication is made that civilian-owned pistols are an acute police problem. I'm on record as disagreeing with that premise. But what bugs me is that the categorical implication is drawn and not held up for questionong. Puts civil, well-intending gun spokesfolk in the unenviable position of either looking stubborn or rude to question this. I worry that with insidious stuff like this going around, the handgun (and ultimately any firearm at all) owners have lost thr PR war. Re the Supreme Court's continuing promotion of the concept that the Second Amendment is not an individual right: regardless of how we feel about the guns themselves, we should all be deeply concerned about the high court taking such liberties with the core documents. This insinuation of "collective" vs. individual rights is corrosive, and it's working. As one gun-owning colleague has succinctly&trenchantly lamented: "The fix is in." PS Where did you dig this little gem up? I may wish to lurk there.

To: Grainne who wrote (13855)	11/25/1997 5:34:00 PM
From: Skipper	Respond to of 108807

So the Bill of Rights is about State's rights? Christine, you should forget about any rights at all. You are actively ensuring that they will all be forfeit. Just like those that squandered and cut down that magnificent redwood tree in Calveras, you will be remembered with disbelief by future generations. Skipper

To: Grainne who wrote (13855)	11/26/1997 2:16:00 AM
From: Krowbar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, Sadly, this happened about a half mile away from where I was working outside yesterday, unknown to me. Wednesday, Nov. 26, 1997 Children tried to cover up fatal shooting Shooting of girl, 10, by playmate being treated as an accident By DAVID SIKES Staff Writer FULTON - Law authorities said Tuesday that the fatal shooting of a 10-year-old girl by her playmate was probably an accident but that an investigation was ongoing. ''We have no reason to believe it was not accidental,'' Lt. Stan Bynum, of the Aransas County Sheriff's Department, said of the Monday shooting. After the girl, Shirley Miriam Reyna, was shot in the chest at close range, the 10-year-old boy suspected in the shooting, and his 9-year-old sister, cleaned up the blood and carried Shirley's body to a ditch across the street and covered it with a towel. The children lied about the shooting to their teen-age brother but later told family members what had happened, Bynum said. The children had gotten their teen-age brother's loaded 12-gauge shotgun from a gun cabinet in their home on the corner of Chaparral and Fourth streets, Bynum said. Bynum declined to say whether anyone else was home when the shooting occurred between 4:30 and 5 p.m. After a hearing Tuesday before Aransas County Judge Agnes ''Tony'' Harden, the boy was released to his parents after spending Monday night at the Juvenile Detention Center in Sinton. His sister is below the age of legal culpability, Bynum said. The shooting shocked neighbors, who often saw the children playing together. Edith Mann said she let Shirley, who had moved to the neighborhood in the past year, play with puppies at her house. ''She was just a sweet little girl,'' Mann said. Several other neighbors said that a group of neighborhood children, including the boy suspected in the shooting, had too much freedom. Neighbor Linda Burgess said she believed the death was an accident, aided by a lack of adult supervision and a loaded gun that should have been locked up. ''I hope this brings about a better awareness of gun safety and what can happen,'' she said. Burgess said she believes that the children's attempted cover-up was the result of panic. ''I don't suspect any foul play,'' she said. Herman Mann, who lives three houses down, said that on Sunday he saw a teen-age boy walk out of the house where the incident occurred and fire a rifle in the street. ''We didn't call the police,'' said Mann's wife, Edith Mann. ''We should have.'' School officials called an assembly Tuesday morning at George Ware Fulton Elementary for the second- through fifth-grade students to explain what had happened and to offer counseling. Aransas County Independent School District Superintendent Norman Spears said four counselors were made available to teachers, students and parents. Spears said the district plans to talk to students about how to call 911 while the shooting is fresh in their minds. ''It should have more of an impact now,'' Spears said. Orlando Torres, director of Juvenile Services for the 36th Judicial District, said the case was ''not clear cut'' and that the Aransas County attorney would determine whether charges are filed. ''It could be a couple of weeks or it could be a month before we know,'' Torres said. Meanwhile, members of the Fulton Community Church prepared food for the grieving Reyna family. About midday Tuesday, a neighborhood dog named Phoenix returned to the section of ditch where his constant companion was found. Wildflowers bloomed near the bloodstained grass. The girl's yellow bicycle still leaned against a telephone pole 30 feet away. ''That dog laid down on the corner last night and he came back again this morning,'' said Doris Olson, a neighbor. ''I guess he's still grieving. He followed her everywhere. It's a terrible tragedy.'' Shirley is survived by her parents, Santiago and Sandra Reyna of Fulton; two brothers, James and Santiago Reyna II, both of Fulton; and a sister, Dawna Reyna of Fulton. Services will be at 10 a.m. Friday at Fulton Community Church. Charlie Marshall Funeral Homes and Crematory is in charge of arrangements. Del