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To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 10:02:13 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 89467

so trayvon knew he had a gun. Link or lie

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 10:02:31 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 89467

Here's Obama's full bio from the 1991 brochure: Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago's South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 10:04:08 AM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Witness Told Cops He Saw Trayvon Martin Straddling George Zimmerman And Punching Him "MMA Style" A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. The witness’s account was included in Sanford Police Department reports released today. Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness--whose name was redacted from police documents--said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence. The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.” The black male, he added, “was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches ‘MMA (mixed martial arts) style.'” The witness--who was in his living room and about 30 feet away from the confrontation-- said he called out to the two men that he was dialing 911. “He then heard a ‘pop,’” police reported, and saw the black male “laid out on the grass.” Zimmerman is pictured above in photos taken by police shortly after the February 26 shooting. The police reports also include observations from two Sanford cops regarding Zimmerman’s physical appearance following the shooting. Officer Timothy Smith reported that Zimmerman was “bleeding from the nose and back of his head,” while Officer Jonathan Mead noted that he “appeared to have a broken and bloody nose and swelling of his face.” Investigators also reported receiving medical reports from Altamonte Medical Practice “identifying the injuries sustained by Zimmerman on the evening of 2/26/2012.” The records indicated that he suffered an “open wound of scalp” and “Nasal bones, closed fracture.”

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 12:07:55 PM
From: Hawkmoon	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Other than the bullet hole in his chest, what wounds on Martin would justify using MMA style fighting tactics (per the eyewitness account) on Zimmerman? IF Zimmerman had revealed his gun prior to the melee.. one would think for damn sure that Martin would have been wrestling for control of the weapon, not throwing punches that permitting Zimmerman to actually use his gun. We have scraped skin marks on Martin's fists, and wounds to Zimmerman's nose and skull (apparently from having it pounded against the pavement).. Were someone pounding my skull against the ground, you can be damn sure that I would draw my weapon and perforate the SOB at my first opportunity. The case is falling apart, IMO. And the fact that the eyewitness will attest that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, striking him, it establishes considerable reasonable doubt about whether Zimmerman's use of deadly force was unreasonable. Get used to it, my friend.. And stop trying to make this a racial thing.. I think you've been drinking the kool-aid that Jackson, Sharpton, and Obama have been trying to pass around. Hawk

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 1:35:21 PM
From: Brumar89	3 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

Martin could have fled Zimmerman if he wanted (only 70 yards from the townhome where he was staying, no one was in his way), he chose to turn around and fight instead. He was stupid to assault a stranger in a concealed carry state.

To: Cautious_Optimist who wrote (88357)	5/18/2012 6:05:05 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge by ALAN DERSHOWITZ George Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder in the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin. A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally. There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional. She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head. But none of this was included in any affidavit. Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin. A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force. Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.) This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted. You wouldn’t know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was “to do justice for Trayvon Martin” — not for George Zimmerman. As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King. Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to “avert a large scale racial calamity.” He has urged Zimmerman’s defense lawyer to become a “savior” by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that “has him back on the streets within this decade.” But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job — his only job — is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means. Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820: “An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client’s protection.” The prosecutor’s job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: “The government wins . . . when justice is done.” Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing his job. It’s about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers. Dershowitz, a defense attorney, is a professor at Harvard Law School. nydailynews.com