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Pastimes : Plastics to Oil - Pyrolysis and Secret Catalysts and Alterna -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: old 'n cranky who wrote (25229)	5/30/2012 2:34:55 PM
From: PaperProphet	Respond to of 53574

For your true-false, I don't know the answer to any of those five. Where I'm very sure is that Mr. Bordynuik didn't produce any oil for less than $10/bbl using his amazing cracking catalyst which could have been sold to unaffiliated parties for $100 or more. As I said, Mr. Bordynuik is dishonest and appears to use any tricks he can find. If he sees something on the message board, he'll work with that. You know there was never a mention of hydrocarbon-only plastic until I mentioned it a couple of years ago--it appears that never even dawned on Mr. Bordynuik until I mentioned it. Pyrolysis does produce an oil. People try it all the time. If regular garbage is used, it still produces an oil..which burns and everything...just not very valuable. My guess is if HDPE, LDPE and PP are used in any pyrolysis, it will produce a useful fuel. No question it will be pure hydrocarbon fuel. The problem there would be the cost of the feedstock. Nobody works on that because those plastics are recyclable. For being misleading, you can look at those slides from your link where the yellow, centered bubble proudly presents "oxygen 15.97%". That's just a function of the amount of air being pushed through it. If he doubled the air, the stack test would show 18% oxygen. The man is dishonest. When you referenced a bullet point where Mr. Bordynuik says two million pounds of plastic were processed, I don't know if that's plastic which the "P2O division" processed via the recycling center since it was built, whether that was plastic he processed with pyrolysis and now is simply storing in the tanks or whether that was pure HDPE, LDPE and PP plastic which he purchased for 'testing', cracked and actually sold as #6. There's no clarity. For your permit question, I would be hard pressed to believe the NYDEC would themselves write "carefully review" instead of "will use" if they were concerned. In fact the NYDEC accepted it when it twice said "recyclable" and "recycle grade". Then they accepted it when it was changed to "non-recycle grade". I don't think that's their concern. Mr. Bordynuik is the one who spent two years sidling up to the NYDEC to pretend their air and solid waste permit validated everything from costs to commercial viability. Keep in mind that Mr. Bordynuik isn't that far along yet to where he's processing significant quantities of any plastic. Any guesses we have about what he hopes to use as feedstock are forward looking.