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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (23773)	6/5/2012 2:39:16 PM
From: i-node	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

>> the status quo. That's "Obamacare". Would you not agree that for most people, Obamacare isn't the status quo because they've not experienced the effects of it yet

To: Road Walker who wrote (23773)	6/7/2012 1:07:31 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

They don't care, which means they aren't on either side, not that they are for the status quo. Also Obamacare isn't fully the status quo yet, it hasn't yet been established as constitutional (in the opinion of the Supreme Court that is, its clearly unconstitutional when you just look at what the constitution says), and portions of it have not been implemented, or have only been partially implemented.

To: Road Walker who wrote (23773)	6/8/2012 5:09:19 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 42652

"A new poll released on Thursday found that 41 percent of Americans want the Supreme Court to overturn the entire health care law passed in 2010, while another 27 percent want the court to throw out the part of the law that requires most people to buy coverage." nationaljournal.com Even if you take the rather unreasonable view that the undecideds should be counted as backing your side of the issue, a straight majority of 68% supports getting rid of the individual mandate. Also from that link " The poll, conducted by the New York Times and CBS News, reveals that more respondents disapprove of the law than approve, 48 percent to 34 percent. That marks only a one-percentage-point uptick in those who disapprove of the law since the last poll was conducted, in mid-April, but a five-percentage-point drop in those who approve." Counting undecideds as for the law (for some crazy reason) would still make it very close. But really "against the law is almost half again as much as for, and support for getting rid of the individual mandate is over two to one over the combination of those against and those on the fence.