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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (88726)	6/10/2012 12:14:35 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Respond to of 89467

"The southern slave owners treated their slaves as property, not voting constituencies." are you serious ? were women and non property owners also non voting constituencies, if you could count them why not slaves. Did you not have to feed and shelter all three groups ? "And I haven't forgotten the "Ft. Sumter invasion" that you refer to.. The original point was that Fort was primarily built with Federal Funds (that being the responsibility of the Federal Gov't then, and now to protect from outside aggression)" you keep harping about federal funds, where did those funds come fund ? the states. Did the south have to pay for those forts. You are wrong because even the north in 1861 recognized that the south paid for those forts also and that's why they were in negotiation to see what was owned for the northern parts of building them "You can't invade something that you already have a right to use," wrong the forts were to left as they were until negotiations were done as to southern payment for them, Ft Sumter was not left alone, the commander of ft moultrie INVADED Sumtner thus breaking the pact the two countries had made regarding forts " I know you have you opinion and that's fine. But the truth of the matter is that S. Carolina wanted that Fort and they were willing to fire the first shots at evicting the Federal garrison, and backing up their secession through the use of force against Federal property." hell the garrison invade ft sumter, breaking the deal the north and south had, that action started the war, the south could seceed with out fighting and that's what they wanted, it was Lincoln who want to start the fighting and that's why he told the Moultrie commander to invade Sumter "Had I been a S. Carolina politician, hell-bent upon secession, I probably would have done the same thing, making the feeble, and untruthful, argument that Southern Ad Valorum revenues provided the majority of the finances for building it in the first place. But that ignoring the reality that Federal money built it, and it was manned by Federal troops, not S. Caroline militia." jesus what bullshit, the fort was built with southern labor and materials and southern monies, northern forts were also build, it was a national defense systems, was the north gonna repay the new country back for those northern forts ? both sides paid for all the forts on the east coast " But that ignoring the reality that Federal money built it," gee hell even Lincoln recognized that federal money didn't fund it but states monies did. Lincoln completely disagrees with you. If Lincoln agreed then why were the forts costs up for negotiation ????? you are looking at it like it's 2012 not 1861, different world, different outlook as to what the federal gov was/is

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (88726)	6/10/2012 12:14:48 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 89467

"The southern slave owners treated their slaves as property, not voting constituencies." are you serious ? were women and non property owners also non voting constituencies, if you could count them why not slaves. Did you not have to feed and shelter all three groups ? "And I haven't forgotten the "Ft. Sumter invasion" that you refer to.. The original point was that Fort was primarily built with Federal Funds (that being the responsibility of the Federal Gov't then, and now to protect from outside aggression)" you keep harping about federal funds, where did those funds come fund ? the states. Did the south have to pay for those forts. You are wrong because even the north in 1861 recognized that the south paid for those forts also and that's why they were in negotiation to see what was owned for the northern parts of building them "You can't invade something that you already have a right to use," wrong the forts were to left as they were until negotiations were done as to southern payment for them, Ft Sumter was not left alone, the commander of ft moultrie INVADED Sumtner thus breaking the pact the two countries had made regarding forts " I know you have you opinion and that's fine. But the truth of the matter is that S. Carolina wanted that Fort and they were willing to fire the first shots at evicting the Federal garrison, and backing up their secession through the use of force against Federal property." hell the garrison invade ft sumter, breaking the deal the north and south had, that action started the war, the south could seceed with out fighting and that's what they wanted, it was Lincoln who want to start the fighting and that's why he told the Moultrie commander to invade Sumter "Had I been a S. Carolina politician, hell-bent upon secession, I probably would have done the same thing, making the feeble, and untruthful, argument that Southern Ad Valorum revenues provided the majority of the finances for building it in the first place. But that ignoring the reality that Federal money built it, and it was manned by Federal troops, not S. Caroline militia." jesus what bullshit, the fort was built with southern labor and materials and southern monies, northern forts were also build, it was a national defense systems, was the north gonna repay the new country back for those northern forts ? both sides paid for all the forts on the east coast " But that ignoring the reality that Federal money built it," gee hell even Lincoln recognized that federal money didn't fund it but states monies did. Lincoln completely disagrees with you. If Lincoln agreed then why were the forts costs up for negotiation ????? you are looking at it like it's 2012 not 1861, different world, different outlook as to what the federal gov was/is