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To: koan who wrote (191614)	6/14/2012 11:21:18 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 543888

Inge Marler, Arkansas Tea Party Leader, Makes Racist Joke At Event Tea Party leaders in Arkansas are on the defensive after a board member of a Tea Party group in the Ozarks made a racist joke at a rally over the weekend drawing laughs from the audience. The Baxter Bulletin in north-central Arkansas reported that Inge Marler made the comments at the annual rally of the Ozark Tea Party. The remarks, which suggested that African-Americans are on welfare, were condemned by Tea Party leaders in the state. The Bulletinreported that the condemnation came after they contacted the Tea Party for comment. The Bulletin reports that Marler, who told the newspaper she would stop using the joke, said the following as an ice-breaker in her speech: “A black kid asks his mom, ‘Mama, what’s a democracy?’ “‘Well, son, that be when white folks work every day so us po’ folks can get all our benefits.’ “‘But mama, don’t the white folk get mad about that?’ “‘They sho do, son. They sho do. And that’s called racism.’” Audio of the speech can be heard here. The remarks come as national Tea Party leaders have denied accusations that their followers are racist. Earlier this week, former Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich (R) wrote a column for the Baltimore Sun arguing that the racism charge is being used by progressives seeking to discredit the Tea Party. The NAACP has voted to criticize what it believes are racist elements within the Tea Party. During a March debate in the Missouri House of Representatives on a bill to require presidential candidates to show their birth certificates to the Missouri secretary of state, Tea Party members of the House denied racism charges in their argument. The bill was sponsored by legislators from the Ozarks area in southern Missouri. "I have heard our side of the aisle called racist and xenophobic, I am tired of it," Missouri Rep. Wanda Brown (R-Lincoln) said at the time. "There is nothing wrong with asking the president of the United States for his birth certificate. I am tired of being called racist." huffingtonpost.com

To: koan who wrote (191614)	6/15/2012 12:41:51 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543888

It is all connected. How do the Southern High schools match up to the northern High schools? Bigotry and tyranny are alwasy the result of two primary variables ignorance and cultural values The way you put that question, you clearly think that some aggregated term you call "Southern High schools" matches up badly against another aggregated term you call "northern High schools". Don't understand your why some names get caps and others don't but I suspect it's just typing too fast. Which is usually my sin. You would need to offer some evidence, not a stereotype, to make that case. And it would need to compare southern and northern high schools on comparable, relevant measures--suburban, urban, rural, might be one. Income of parents might be another. And since the "south" varies a lot from state to state, at least in terms of this issue, it would make sense to look at within state comparisons. And it might help to check national statistics. Last time I looked the level of segregation in northern schools was higher than in southern schools. Or perhaps it was residential segregation. I forget just which. But segregation is a national phenomenon right now. Far more than it's a regional one. Anything to get you away from these stereotypes and in to real data. As for the second part of that, the two primary variables--ignorance and cultural values--as the source of tyranny and bigotry, I've already offered the principle historical exception that leaps readily to mind, and that's Germany. If you wish you can read the literature on bigotry in the British elite through the 19th century and definitely into the 20th (and, I doubt, it was absent in earlier years). I certainly wouldn't consider them ignorant, unless ignorant is simply a different way to say they were bigoted. And, if so, then the one can't be used as an explanation for the other. On the notion of cultural values as one of your variables, that overlaps rather heavily with bigotry, so it's a bit difficult to see how they are, conceptually, independent of one another. As for the rest of your post, it's still clear you are over generalizing. To an extreme extent. But we are definitely reaching the "agree to disagree" portion of the conversation. If you wish to reply, I may decide to pass it up. I'll wait and see.