To: Dale Baker who wrote (191768 ) 6/16/2012 3:44:24 PM From: JohnM Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543847 Another key point shows in the county-based presidential election map. Wherever you have urban concentrations (and universities) in the South and in most red states, you find blue enclaves. Those cities also tend to have the jobs and draw immigrants from other regions of the country for more diversity. Thanks. Fascinating map. If anyone else is following this conversation, I recommend, highly, taking a look at it. I would say one big difference between north and south is that blue-collar people in New England usually put more value on higher education as something they missed out on, compared to their counterparts in the South. Just my experience. If one were to do this in a serious way, as opposed to what I'm doing which is simply throwing stuff at the screen to make the case against overgeneralizing and using stereotypes to do serious thinking, that's definitely a way to go. But one would also need to look at the way race/ethnicity cuts across south/north comparisons of blue collar workers. The only serious experience I have is in my little home town in central Texas, the several high school reunions I've attended. At the 50th, a lot was made of the number of advanced degrees (beyond bachelors level) in a class of roughly sixty students. It was seven or eight, well over 10%. But the number was less important than the celebration of the number as a measure of achievement for the class as a whole. So there was serious appreciation of the value of higher education. Oh, yes, we celebrated one of the class teachers who was able to make it because her oldest son was a Harvard graduate. Now the tone of that class is set by basically low to middle level white collar workers. And, if we had taken a poll of the politics of the class in the latest reunion, a couple of years ago, I have little doubt it would have been heavily tea partyish, among the ones willing to discuss it.