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To: longnshort who wrote (27271)6/16/2012 7:27:08 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Nice to see that you are using a great scientist to help you along on your quest now even though that is an extremely biased cobbled together set of quotations in your post attempting to superficially imply he is for some personal God & Creator . We do not see Einstein pointing to any one set of dogmas or endorsing any religious belief over any other, rather is charged with an appreciation of the interlinking phenomena of nature , including the complexity of man observed in vast universe that is reducible down to quantum reactions .

One can find many other quotes that substantiate alternative view or at least a more current primer for what he feels should become a template for religion also learn to accommodate , that of embracing a spirituality based on reason & pursuit of open discovery that most moderate people of faith now endorse . It should be noted too , that Einstein was devoted to a steady state Universe or at least one where the Universe was self sustaining & non created with emphasis on unifying universal laws into one equation .



To: longnshort who wrote (27271)6/16/2012 7:51:50 PM
From: Solon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"so if you believe in god you don't believe in science ?"

That is not true. I will give you a better fit:

If you believe in Science you cannot rationally believe in a god that would invalidate your reasons for believing in Science.

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Albert Einstein

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
Albert Einstein

I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.
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To: longnshort who wrote (27271)6/16/2012 8:04:34 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
OT : Einstein also spoke of the "God of Spinoza" in that, Spinoza being one of the great heros of modern day religious thought , Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists."

One doesn't get the luxury of deducing this implies any charge or cause for or against atheism if "religion" is defined in terms of respect for any unifying natural , moral or ethical laws . For if you study religion objectively what is called ancient religion & down thru centuries was always chiefly concerned with social power structure & codified laws & in the case of Christianity the fear of God in the Judeo tradition .

You might want to romantically believe that such a Abrahamic tradition of law & morality led to & underpinned the formation of the wonderful democratic institutions now enjoyed today, but any casual observation of history shows both in Islam & Christianity this was hardly the propensity of rule (divine right of kings , war, persecution, theocracy) and only just changing in Islam today, a "mirror religion" .Another quote by Einstein here finds absolutely no endorsement of religion per se or even the slightest need for ethical or moral choices be based from any religious dogmas, cosmology, theology or practices .

Science has therefore been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death.

Albert Einstein