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To: 2MAR$ who wrote (27466)6/19/2012 7:34:34 PM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 69300
 
Fair warning. One more post like that and I'm going to report you for violating the TOU. Please stop with the ad hominems.

BTW The SBC just elected a black man to lead them. That some people misinterpreted the bible in the past does not mean the bible is untrue. There is much to be repented of and deep wounds that still need to be healed. The SBC is only now doing what it should have done all along, but it is better to delay and obey than it is to simply do lip service.

dennyburk.com

The Parable of the Two Sons 28 “But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, ‘Son, go, work today in my vineyard.’ 29 He answered and said, ‘I will not,’ but after ward he regretted it and went. 30 Then he came to the second and said likewise. And he answered and said, ‘I go, sir,’ but he did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of his father?”

They said to Him, “The first.”

Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him; but tax collectors and harlots believed him; and when you saw it, you did not after ward relent and believe him.



To: 2MAR$ who wrote (27466)6/19/2012 8:08:38 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
The abolitionist movement was founded and flourished because evangalistic fundamentalist Christians:

.... the American Anti-Slavery Society, which denounced slavery as a sin that must be abolished immediately, endorsed nonviolence, and condemned racial prejudice ...... Abolitionists exercised a particularly strong influence on religious life, contributing heavily to schisms that separated the Methodists (1844) and Baptists (1845), while founding numerous independent antislavery "free churches." In higher education abolitionists founded Oberlin College, the nation's first experiment in racially integrated coeducation, the Oneida Institute, which graduated an impressive group of African-American leaders, and Illinois's Knox College, a western center of abolitionism.
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afgen.com

Western civilization, because of it's Christian ethical basis, is the only culture that developed an anti-slavery movement and is the only culture that has developed an anti-abortion prolife movement (the modern equivalent of abolitionism).



To: 2MAR$ who wrote (27466)6/20/2012 8:38:02 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
Southern Baptists Set for a Notable First

William Widmer for The New York Times
The Rev. Fred Luter Jr. got his start preaching on the streets of the Lower Ninth Ward.

By ERIK ECKHOLM Published: June 17, 2012

NEW ORLEANS — The Southern Baptist Convention, a denomination born in 1845 in defense of slavery and a spiritual home to white supremacists for much of the 20th century, is poised to elect its first African-American president.

The Rev. Fred Luter Jr., 55, a New Orleans pastor who got his start preaching on the streets of the Lower Ninth Ward, is expected to be the only candidate for office on Tuesday when Southern Baptists gather here for their annual meeting.

“That I can be president of the largest Protestant denomination in the country is unbelievable,” Mr. Luter said in an interview last week after one of his trademark cadenced sermons that drew “amens” from the predominantly black congregation.

His anticipated victory is being hailed as a milestone by white and black pastors alike in the convention, a grouping of 51,000 congregations with 16 million members, about a million of them black. Acutely aware of the nation’s changing demographics, the fiercely evangelical Southern Baptists have been working to draw in more black, Hispanic and Asian members, often by starting new churches in ethnically diverse urban areas in the country.

If, as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said of the nation’s churches, Sunday morning is the most segregated time in America, the Southern Baptists have carried a special burden, giving added resonance to this week’s election.

“Given the history of the convention, this is absolutely stunning,” said Michael O. Emerson, an expert on race and religion at Rice University.

Mr. Luter shares the Baptists’ firm rejection of abortion and same-sex marriage, but he preaches more about personal salvation than politics. Though he never completed seminary training, he is renowned for his rapid-fire sermons filled with wordplay and hypnotic repetition.

He has also impressed convention leaders by building what had been a dying congregation, that of the Franklin Avenue Baptist Church in New Orleans, into one of the state’s largest churches — and then rebuilding it after 2005, when Hurricane Katrina flooded the church in the low-income St. Roch neighborhood and sent most of its 8,000 members fleeing to other states.

By example and through his ability to help shape the convention’s powerful missionary, policy and governing boards, Mr. Luter hopes he can give the minority recruitment goals a boost during his two-year term.

“I want to carry that torch,” he said. “When I go to evangelical conferences, I’ll be Exhibit A.”

But he is well aware that many black evangelicals remain skeptical of the Southern Baptists, preferring to remain in separate associations like the largely black National Baptist Convention U.S.A., which has 7.5 million members.

Southern Baptist leaders acknowledge having a lot to answer for. “We were a segregated, virtually all-white denomination as late as the 1960s,” said Richard Land, president of the convention’s policy arm, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. Mr. Land is the convention’s most prominent public face, often speaking out pungently on conservative causes like opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage and big government.

Mr. Land has been known for seeking racial reconciliation and was one of the authors of a resolution, adopted by the convention in 1995, that apologized for “historic acts of evil such as slavery” and for condoning “racism in our lifetime” and asked forgiveness “from our African-American brothers and sisters.”

But an episode this spring showed the lurking potential for racial misunderstandings. Many blacks were outraged when Mr. Land accused President Obama of trying to capitalize politically on the Trayvon Martin killing in Florida, called the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton “race hustlers,” and suggested that racial profiling was justified.

A few pastors in the convention called for Mr. Land’s punishment or removal, and in the end he apologized and was sharply reprimanded by the church. Mr. Luter, who worked with Mr. Land on the convention’s 1995 apology, called the comments an unfortunate aberration but said he hoped Mr. Land would stay on.

Dwight McKissic Sr., pastor at the predominantly black Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Tex., is one of those who reacted sharply to Mr. Land’s remarks, although he is a harsh critic of Mr. Obama himself on social issues. Mr. McKissic is both elated by the prospect of Mr. Luter’s ascension and guarded about its ultimate meaning. “The fact that his color is not a hindrance to his election is a wonderful thing,” he said. But he added that the presidency was largely ceremonial and that he longed “for the day when a person of color is named to head” one of the powerful boards or a major seminary.

Mr. Luter became a Southern Baptist almost by accident.

He grew up poor in a largely African-American world in the Lower Ninth, raised by his mother, a seamstress.

In 1977, at the age of 21, he almost died in a motorcycle crash and was born again, promising his life to God. He spent years preaching with a megaphone in the streets, where, he said, he developed his fast-talking style as he tried to catch the attention of annoyed passers-by.

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nytimes.com



To: 2MAR$ who wrote (27466)6/20/2012 8:49:03 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 69300
 
Slaves at the root of the fortune that created Richard Dawkins' family estate

The ancestors of Richard Dawkins, the atheist campaigner against superstition, intolerance and suffering, built their fortune using slaves, it has been revealed.

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In 1796 the oldest son James Dawkins (1760-1843) voted against Wilberforce's proposal to abolish the slave trade, helping to defeat it by just four votes.

In 1807 he was one of a small rump of die-hards opposing the provisions of Slave Trade Act, which abolished selling slaves in the British Empire.
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On religious matters James Dawkins was throughout 1813 an opponent of 'Catholic relief', one of the acts which lifted restrictions on freedom of worship, property and electoral rights for Catholics.

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The revelations come after a difficult few days for the campaigner.

On Tuesday 14 February, some critics branded him "an embarrassment to atheism" after what many listeners considered a humiliation in a Radio 4 debate with Giles Fraser, formerly Canon Chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral, in which the professor boasted he could recite the full title of Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species", then when challenged, dithered and said: "Oh God."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9091007/Slaves-at-the-root-of-the-fortune-that-created-Richard-Dawkins-family-estate.html

If you can't have slaves, why not have zombies?by Techne


Apparently, the fortunes of Dawkins' ancestors were built on the backs of slaves. You see there is a reason for this – evolutionary psychology. Our selfish genes drive us to behave in ways that propagate them.



In the case of slavery, more slaves result in greater wealth and we all know how greater wealth results in increased propagation for selfish genes. The trick in those days was to keep the slaves once you have them. The best way to do this was to try to keep them uneducated.

Richard Dawkins' selfish genes are still driving him to behave in ways to propagate them. Unfortunately for him slavery has been abolished, and rightly so. Therefore, the next best thing to have is zombies. The mechanics are the same. More zombies that buy your books and T-shirts and bingo, propagation of selfish genes AND memes. The trick in keeping zombies is also to keep them uneducated and in this case, un-educable.

Dawkins is quite good at zombie herding. First he writes a few sciency books to give him some street cred as a scientist. Then he writes The God Delusion. By the time some people begin to realize the logical fallacies and bad scholarship in the book it is too late. The gnu zombies are hooked on bad philosophy and metaphysics masqueraded as science and scholarship. If you point out that Dawkins can't even get Aquinas' cosmological arguments right, that he can't even distinguish between the teleological argument and Paley's watchmaker argument, that Darwin was a teleologist or that Dawkins' central argument is hopelessly flawed, all you get is the Myers Shuffle and cowardice to engage their critics. Gnu zombies are uneducated when it comes to philosophy, logic and metaphysics. And unlike slaves who are educable, gnu zombies appear to be immune to any form education that is contra their indoctrination.

You cannot really blame Dawkins for all this. Blame his zombie herding on his selfish genes he inherited from his slave-herding ancestors. Natural selection did result in the propagation of these selfish genes. And after all, no action no matter how stupid " is in principle to be blamed on antecedent conditions acting through the accused's physiology, heredity and environment".

http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-if-you-cant-have-slaves-why-not-have-zombies/#more-7775