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To: koan who wrote (115862)	6/25/2012 8:22:37 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

There is a new modus operandi set by the Roberts court with their decision on the Arizona immigration law. Just punt and leave the door open to further lawsuits. I anticipate they will do the same with their ruling on Obamacare. This punting indicates to me that Justice Kennedy is conflicted. There is a legal aspect as well as a social aspect of US laws and Justice Kennedy is feeling it. Interesting that Roberts has chosen himself to write the opinion on this case.

To: koan who wrote (115862)	6/25/2012 11:43:55 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

I didn't mean to play a game tejek. It was a serious question. Here is why. I don't think there is a viable conservative philosophy, nor was there ever one in the last 100 years. To suggest there is no true conservative philosophy does a disservice to millions of intelligent and capable and sane conservatives and to all liberals including yourself. Here is part of where I am coming from. IMO, liberals are right about most of the major issues. Liberals don't have 50% of the answers and conservatives the other 50%. I think it is more 90/10 left , right. Of course liberals are right 90% of the time.......that's because you are a liberal. I am right 100% of the time simply because I say it. ;) IMO you don't have a real litmus test here, koan. Why, one would ask? Take the 50 top issues. We liberals go over and over these issees looking for the logic. We learn from many sources. In my circle of liberal friends we are always discussing the issues. When I am with my conservative friends and they are half of my friends, we never discuss issues. We discuss life, but not ideas. E.g. So when we realize gayness is genetic and people are born like that, then gay marriage clearly is a civil rights issue and should be legal. Liberals can all see that. Consrvatives seem blind to the logic. Look at all the time you spent on those right wing threads. All they ever wanted to do was fight with you, or me, or anyone. They were not interested in a constructive discussion of ideas. And as often as not the rocks they hurled were obtain from FOX news. Oxymoron. And what makes you think they are representative of all conservatives. I don't know that, do you? Then take a thread like this where we generally try to build on each others ideas. How often have you ever seen roadwalker and I fight, or bentway. Never. We disagree on things at times, but we talk them over. Uh.....I fight with RW and bentway all the time. Usually we do the fighting in PMs. ;) Big difference. So I maintain there is no viable right wing philosophy, and saying so is a case of false equivalency. koan, you are listening only to the radicalized Rs. The more moderate Rs like David Frum and Meghan McCain do not think all that differently then we do nor do they come to their conclusions without some thought. I believe the GOP and the conservative movement in this country have been hijacked by the crazies. BTW have you ever dealt with radicalized liberals.........to me, they are just as offensive as radicalized conservatives.