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To: Wayners who wrote (74453)	6/27/2012 12:13:41 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	6 Recommendations Respond to of 103300

ovomit himself is an illegal alien, so why would he abide by any laws at all? GZ

To: Wayners who wrote (74453)	6/27/2012 10:22:42 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

Interesting news out about the 'Fast and Furious' scandal revealed in a Fortune Magazine investigation.... Apparently there was no attempt at 'gun walking' at all, (no deliberate effort by ATF to turn their heads while guns were illegally sold). A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. Five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. Apparently, Arizona has some really, er... 'unique' and liberal laws about gun sales. ANYONE over the age of 18 (and who doesn't turn up with a criminal record in an instant records check) can buy ALL the guns that he wants to every day... and then immediately turn around and resell them to anyone else. No waiting periods, no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. For example, an eighteen year old (to young to drink alcohol but who doesn't show as having a criminal record) can buy all the AK-47s that he wants to. No limits (just so long as he can plop the cash down.) He would have to sign a piece of paper stating that he had no 'intention' to resell the weapons... but he is TOTALLY FREE to change his mind about this as soon as he leaves the gun store... (say... by the time he reaches the parking lot ) and is then OK to resell them. No penalty, no problem. Despite the obvious difficulties of ever convicting someone of illegal gun sales under these Arizona regulations, apparently even so the ATF put together a list of names of people they knew were buying loads of weapons and reselling them to gang members who would then would drive them across the border and tried many times to get Prosecutors in Arizona to authorize arrest warrants for these people (sign indictments) but the Prosecutors were not convinced that any of this was illegal under Arizona's liberal laws and refused to sign any of the warrants. So... the guns kept on being bought in Arizona and then resold into the Mexican drug wars... and still is to this day. Truth about the Fast and Furious scandal A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust. By Katherine Eban Fortune features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich." By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.... ...There's the rub. Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic but five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn. Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time....