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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (18925)	6/30/2012 12:59:14 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Half our nukes are shut down because of technical problems beyond their control. So you are saying with just half the plants in operation they still produce 20% of our power - that's even better than I expected.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (18925)	6/30/2012 1:19:35 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

Too bad environmentalists won't let us build any new dams ... and are actually having some existing dams taken down. Re not viable without subsidies (and/or mandates) .... that applies to renewables too.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (18925)	6/30/2012 1:28:26 PM
From: Little Joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

I am starting to move your way on nuclear. The aftermath of the Japanese meltdowns certainly causes one to think they do not have a handle on the safety issues. While we do not hear much about it they are still having serious problems and I am not sure if they will avoid a lot more serious environmental damage. lj

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (18925)

7/1/2012 11:13:36 AM

From: d[-_-]b

1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487

Cal already gets 20% from renewables and another 20% from hydropower.

Closer to 15% each and the one operating nuclear plant contributes that much all by itself. Seems the only energy source showing significant growth has been natural gas over the last decade. Wind and solar are almost not worth mentioning - geothermal contributes more than twice them combined.

energyalmanac.ca.gov
2010 Total System Power in Gigawatt Hours Fuel TypeCalifornia
In-State Generation (GWh)Percent of California
In-State GenerationNorthwest Imports (GWh)Southwest Imports (GWh)California Power Mix (GWh)Percent California Power Mix

Coal	3,406	1.7%	783	18,236	22,424	7.7%
Large Hydro	29,861	14.6%	-	1,333	31,194	10.8%
Natural Gas	109,481	53.4%	1,330	10,625	121,436	41.9%
Nuclear	32,214	15.7%	-	8,211	40,426	13.9%
Oil	52	0.0%	-	-	52	0.0%
Other	0	0.0%	-	-	0	0.0%
Renewables	30,005	14.6%	7,586	2,205	39,796	13.7%
Biomass	5,745	2.8%	1,149	-	6,894	2.4%
Geothermal	12,740	6.2%	-	673	13,413	4.6%
Small Hydro	4,441	2.2%	554	-	4,995	1.7%
Solar	908	0.4%	-	51	959	0.3%
Wind	6,172	3.0%	5,883	1,481	13,536	4.7%
Unspecified Sources of Power	0	0.0%	14,978	19,881	34,859	12.0%
Total	205,018	100.0%	24,677	60,492	290,187	100.0%