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To: sm1th who wrote (18986)

7/1/2012 3:07:54 PM

From: koan

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I guess you missed the news about the record arctic ice melt and heat wave across the nation.

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The top scientists say 350 is max and we are almost at 400 now. Since we are far over the max, it would appear that your scientists are wrong.

To: sm1th who wrote (18986)	7/1/2012 3:37:32 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 85487

Things are proceeding right on schedule; a little faster, actually. "The linear warming trends from 1981 through 2011 are approximtely 0.17°C per decade for Hansen's Fast Growth scenario, 0.13°C per decade for the Slow Growth scenario, vs. 0.17°C per decade for the observed global surface temperature from GISTEMP. Estimating that the actual energy growth and greenhouse gas emissions have fallen between the Fast and Slow Growth scenarios, the observed temperature change has been approximately 15% faster than the projections of the Hansen et al. model." skepticalscience.com Now, changes are happening all around us. Russia,Europe, and Asia have had their recent killer heat waves. Maybe '12 is our turn. Could be a hot topic in the campaign. I notice Imhofe isn't building an igloo in DC today. The U.S. surface temperature map from Unisys at 4 pm, June 29,2012, shows 100° temperatures stretching almost continuously from California eastward to the Carolinas. NBC Meteorologist Bill Karins said on Friday , “We’ve never really seen a heat wave like this in the month of June.” Sadly, in a few decades this will just be considered a normal June (see below). How hot is it? It is so hot that NBC Washington’s Chief Meteorologist, Doug Kammerer, explained on air “If we did not have global warming, we wouldn’t see this.” thinkprogress.org June 25, 2012 As the climate changes, scientists are documenting measurable shifts in the natural world — from a tremendous loss in Arctic sea ice and an increase in extreme weather like drought, floods and heatwaves, to the migration of plants and animals to new latitudes. npr.org 100 degree hurricanes are certainly consistent with "nothing to see here". WASHINGTON, July 1 (Reuters) - Blistering heat blanketed much of the eastern United States for the third straight day on Sunday, after violent storms that took at least a dozen lives and knocked out power to more than 3 million customers. Emergencies were declared in Maryland, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia and Washington, D.C., on Saturday because of damage from storms that unleashed hurricane-force winds across and a 500-mile (800-km) stretch of the mid-Atlantic region. in.reuters.com Could just be a coincidence they said wildfires would get worse, and fires have gotten worse. Pondering a Link Between Forest Fires and Climate Change By KATE YANDELL This week, record temperatures and wildfires have scorched the western United States. The National Climate Data Center reports that 41 heat records (6,027 weather stations take measurements around the country) have been broken or tied since Sunday, mostly in Colorado, Kansas and Nebraska, which is quite unusual for this time of year. Since Saturday, a wildfire near Colorado Springs has burned over 18,000 acres, and 34 other large fires are still burning in the country. Scientists taking part in a conference call on Thursday arranged by the nonprofit science outreach group Climate Communication said that while they could not apportion blame to a specific factor, there was agreement that this week’s events fit into a pattern of extreme weather events and catastrophic fires that climate scientists predict will only worsen in decades to come. “What we’re seeing is a window into what global warming really looks like,” said Michael Oppenheimer, a geoscientist at Princeton University. “It looks like heat. It looks like fires. It looks like this type of environmental disaster.” green.blogs.nytimes.com