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To: longnshort who wrote (89048)	7/5/2012 12:42:02 AM
From: Cautious_Optimist	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 89467

<< the report fails completely to mention the 1993 World Trade Center bombing>> Duh!! This study is looking at American threats. There are probably 1,000 times as many studies and descriptions of foreign terrorists, especially jihaddists. Just remember what Condi and Bush did when he got that PDB warning him that Bin laden was about to strike. You are more interested in twisting reality to fit your politically partisan frames, than national security, anyway.

To: longnshort who wrote (89048)	7/5/2012 11:25:51 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 89467

Here's the complete verbage from that report: Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty. Which is then followed by this verbage for "Left-Wing" Groups:: Extreme Left-Wing: groups that want to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes. This category also includes secular left-wing groups that rely heavily on terrorism to overthrow the capitalist system and either establish “a dictatorship of the proletariat” (Marxist-Leninists) or, much more rarely, a decentralized, non-hierarchical political system (anarchists). Ok.. It's plainly evident to me that the authors of this report don't understand the difference between those who advocate the use of violence to overthrow our constitutional form of government, and the right of all Americans to possess the means of self-defense, as well as to uphold the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.. It's poorly worded.. It could have easily been summed up the definition as "ANY group that seeks to use violence in the pursuit of a political or military agenda that undermines, or attempts to over-turn, the Constitution of the United States." That should be sufficient to cover the term "terrorist". It matters not if they are "right wing", "left-wing", or religious militants seeking to establish a theocratic empire. The founders of this nation would have been defined as "left wing" in this document because they brought about change through "violent revolution". Our political and military leaders take solemn oaths to defend the Constitution, and this nation, from all enemies. They do not take oaths to Presidents, political parties, religious faiths.. etc. And any individual who attempts to ignore that constitution and refuses to abide by established political processes, is an enemy of the US, and the American people. Hawk