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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: John who wrote (75131)	7/6/2012 7:13:01 PM
From: Farmboy	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

John I hear you. The reality is we will never see all veterans off the streets, because some are so badly impaired they will go back again and again. You ever really spent any time talking to any of those guys who are truly homeless out there? They aren't capable of grasping the reality that there is a better way. Short of confining them in some home, somewhere, they will go back. I hate to see our lower ranking folks on welfare too - but I am glad it is there for them. It would be great to give a big enough pay raise that they wouldn't qualify ... but that is not going to happen. The military has always been underpaid, and always will be. Much better now than when I went in, and drew a whopping $168.00 a month. That was a pay cut of over 50% for what I had been making ... But that was the way it was when the draft was in effect. I don't even know the starting salary now, probably around $1500 a month? Christ, that is a fortune, in comparison, even with inflation considered. Plus, if married they get housing allowances of between 850 - 2400 depending on location. A lot? No. But it runs from around $23K a year on up for a married soldier, and around 18K a year for a single man living in the barracks. If they volunteer, knowing the pay before they go in .. then they have to accept some responsibility for stretching it out a little bit, don't you think? Hell, I could make it quite well on $24K a year (gross) right now, if I was renting a small house or apartment, and didn't have my house payment. Couldn't you? You really think the American people l would support much more? Foreign aid is some 2% of our budget, right? Let's cut it from the countries who don't appreciate it (Pakisatan alone gets more than enough to fund these humanitarian programs in Africa), and the countries who don't really need it. Spend 80% of that at home, and no more than 20% for humanitarian programs overseas. We can not live in total isolation. Heck, I'm a retired, partially disabled Vet and I am not getting what I was promised. But, I can't be bitter about it. I can just cast my vote, and hope the bastards don't get to DC and become self-important overnight, and forget all about where they came from. Then I can write letters and email asking for their consideration of X, Y or Z. Yes, I hear you. We'll just have to disagree a bit on a couple of things here. To me, part of being American is being someone who is aware of and sympathetic to the plight of other nations and other peoples around the world. We can't support them all, or even very many of them, and some of them we need to go kick their asses right now, but I will never begrudge assisting Sub Saharan Africa with their AIDS problem.

To: John who wrote (75131)	7/6/2012 8:20:22 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 103300

Black pastors: Let's reject Obama! Christian leaders turn on president 'stooping to lead country down immoral path' by Chelsea Schilling Friday, July 06, 2012 wnd.com A group of black pastors is blasting President Obama for his support of homosexual marriage and calling on black pastors across America to stop supporting him. “By embracing gay marriage, President Obama is leading the country down an immoral path,” said Rev. William Owens, president of the Coalition of African-American Pastors, in a statement. “The black church has always been the conscience of America, and today we are calling on black pastors and black Christians to withhold support from President Obama until he corrects course. The Coalition of African-American Pastors, or CAAP, has launched a marriage petition at 100000Signatures4Marriage.com. The group describes itself as “a grass-roots movement of African-American Christians who believe in traditional family values such as supporting the role of religion in American public life, protecting the lives of the unborn, and defending the sacred institution of marriage.” It notes that it “is not affiliated with any political party or denomination.” The announcement followed a press conference this week during the Annual Convention of the African, Methodist, and Episcopal, or AME, Church Convention in Nashville, Tenn. Owens urged the church to actively defend traditional marriage. “In the midst of this great moral struggle, we are also asking the great AME Church to reaffirm biblical views on marriage that is between one man and one woman,” Owens said. “The AME Church has not taken a position on this important issue in more than 20 years, and it is time to get off the sidelines.” CAAP has requested a meeting with Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to discuss the same-sex marriage issue. According to the organization, the White House has not responded to that request. A letter to the Obama administration read in part: “We pray for the president. … President Obama is the fulfillment of our dreams for our sons –and he has broken our hearts by using his power and position to endorse as a civil right something that is simply wrong. “Some things are bigger than the next election.” When Obama was a U.S. senator, he was a keynote speaker at the AME Church’s 2008 general conference. Just last week, Michelle Obama spoke to a crowd of 10,000 at the 2012 conference in Nashville. “We were once proud of President Obama, but our pride has turned to shame,” Owens lamented. “The man holding the most powerful position in the world is stooping to lead the country down an immoral path. As AME pastor Luke Robinson said of the president: ‘His pronouncement is, in fact, a direct attack on the God of the Bible and the Christian faith.’ He concluded, “It is with this background and strong belief, that we – and the AME pastors who joined with us – challenge the entire African Methodist Episcopal Church to stand with other denominations and speak out against President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage and officially and formally reaffirm support for the Bible’s view of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.”