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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Paul V. who wrote (137354)	7/9/2012 10:24:57 AM
From: locogringo	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224749

The purpose of "an action is to create an over reaction by the opposition." kenny_troll does this several times a day. He makes a DUMB statement, usually untrue or an outright lie from Politico or Huff-n-Puff. He then gets 30 replies, with 10 sticking up for Romney, 10 knocking Obama the Dope, and 10 calling kenny_troll an ignorant liar. He couldn't care less, and he rarely reads the replies (except mine) and a few others. Unfortunately for him and his handlers, it doesn't divert the thread, it just brings up old stuff about Obama the Failure that a lot of people forgot. Conclusion=HUGE BACKFIRE

To: Paul V. who wrote (137354)	7/9/2012 11:15:04 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224749

Jori, guess you will just have to do some more reading, and obtain actual experience in organizing. Just remember many are trained in detective (campaign candidate research) commonly referred in organizing as "getting the book" on individuals, and their psychological breaking points. A common expression, "push a negative far enough it breaks through to its counter point - a positive." The purpose of "an action is to create an over reaction by the opposition." Fear of the a potential unknown event actually has a greater impact than the known. It can be used very effectively in organizing. It is called, "get in the head of the enemy." Individuals can escape physical injury, but the psychological impact stays with individuals forever. Have you ever tried to go to sleep at night and some stress, or fear keeps you awake? Then, sleep deprivation takes over and creates greater problems for the individual. That is why I never consider tactics used by the military regarding sleep deprivation as torture. It commonly used in bargaining psychology especially when the opposition are not experienced negotiators. It appears that you are trying to change the topic. The topic is that ridicule is working very effectively against the people in power who are at the same time trying get more power. The people in power are the progressives. Basically it means that YOU are the Man. The time for feigning victimhood status is over. You and your ilk wrestled the controls away from people who are less insane than yourselves and now you don't know what the hell to do with it. And that's the problem with you alinskyites. You figured out a pretty effective way to get power, but you are absolutely unqualified and unable to do the right thing with it. You don't understand that you can't get something good when you start off with an immoral foundation. And at the heart of your philosophy is the idea that stealing is good as long as you say it is to help someone. Of course, alinskyites believe that the ends justify the means. So you are able to rationalize any immoral action you take. But in the end, it all falls apart because we aren't ants. We aren't bees. Fundamentally, we don't function as a collective. We function as individuals. And progressives only respect the individual when it is their rights that need respecting. Back to the point, ridicule works against those in power (or those perceived to be in power). There is no delusion anymore that those who respect the rights of the individual are in power anymore. Remember when Obama drove the point home with "WE won". Your little caution to remember that you are trained in "detective" and getting psychological breaking points is laughable. I am convinced that you don't understand how much you appear to be an insecure blowhard that has drank every drop of progressive activist kool-aid. Speaking of kool-aid and collectivists, this conversation reminds me of a documentary I saw recently about the massive cult suicide at Jonestown, Guyana. Who do you identify with most? Jim Jones? One of his lieutenants who held guns on the followers and made them drink the kool-aid? or one of his the followers who got to give the kool-aid to their kids before drinking it themselves? With the way you speak with authority about activism and make tactless warnings, I'm guessing that you see yourself in the lieutenant role.

To: Paul V. who wrote (137354)	7/10/2012 12:56:50 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	5 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224749

Unions spent $4.4 billion on politics in past 6 years news.yahoo.com And you guys are worried about the Koch brothers? A couple of billionaires who give a few million dollars is nothing compared to $4.4B actually spent by unions. those unions are quite the racket if they can actually squander $4.4B on politics. One day the workers will figure out who the real parasites are. It isn't the businesses who actually give them a paycheck and allow them to feed themselves and their families. It's the unions who don't create anything and that have $4.4B of the worker's hard earned cash to waste on politics. If I was a union worker I would be damned pissed off that the unions had $4.4B available to spend on politics. Then I would be even more pissed off that they actually did it.