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To: koan who wrote (20141)	7/21/2012 2:05:00 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

I agree that is what he meant and it is true. The right wing does not seem to understand their is a legitimate role for government e.g. Regan's "government is the problem not the solution." That is bullshit. Government has been the solution all through our history and should be respected, not always denigrated. This is a strawman and it is untrue. I do not know any conservative who believes that government doesn't have some role. Our government surely has done some great things. Especially when it has stuck to legitimate federal government functions. When it has gone into the weeds doing things that should be taken care of by private enterprise, it has most often turned out to be a tremendous waste and has unintended consequences that snowball into even greater wastefulness and trampling of liberties in an attempt to clean up their original mess. The government's role isn't to solve all of our problems for us. Its role is to protect our ability to solve our problems for ourselves. I agree that an interstate highway system cannot be done by private enterprise. Nor can national defense. The smart grid is of questionable value and could easily be handled by a free market system (different rates for different times. Most people don't even know what the smartgrid is. In Los Angeles, the first thing that the LADWP is working on is the ability to detect and monitor overheating in transformers. When a transformer overheats to a certain point it is likely to blow up and therefore cause a power outtage and therefore put additional strain on the grid. No need for federal funds for that. It is a cost savings in the long run to implement this system. Automated meter reading is another thing that falls under the smartgrid banner. Again, no need for federal funding, it's a sound business decision to do this in many cases. We also don't need the government to fund the Solyndra's and Openrange Communications of the world. If they can't make it in the business world, then maybe they weren't meant to. And we don't need the government to control health care either. If it is something that the private sector legitimately can't do, then I say "Go Gov!!!". But when it creates a nanny state that caters to every facet of our lives, then it is out of control and in the long run will erode our individual rights.

To: koan who wrote (20141)	7/21/2012 2:29:54 AM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

<The right wing does not seem to understand> The real wingnutz don't know what the hell they understand and what they don't. They talk all about what a great country this is, and how it's the "greatest" and any critisism of it means you must hate the country and isn't that dreadful. Then they tell you how liberals are evil, stupid, and ruining the country, even if you are 53% of the population... you need to be ignored, cause they know better. So much for democracy. Then wingnutz tell you how aweful government is... essentially wishing away the constitution that they keep telling you you don't believe in, but THEY do. LOL Yes, what a great country... but not the LIBERAL version... my idilic version you see!! Yes, THEY have the pipeline to the truth, and everyone else is a fool.... just ask them. So this "greatest country" doesn't include you... you see. Of course if you are in a bubble listening to Rush and Fox all day... that's what you know... that is your environment... you believe it just like a cult follower. You know nothing else. So you can sit there and say what a great country this is, "the very best mind you".... Oh, but it's government is bad and evil... LOL, too funny. < "government is the problem not the solution." That is bullshit.> Yes, it IS bullshit... in the typical wingnut fashion that is taken out of context... he actually did NOT say that. Wingnutz need to chant that like some mantra, it makes them feel good. Being exposed to different ideas isn't very comfortable to the wingnuts.... makes 'em nervous. :))) DAK

To: koan who wrote (20141)	7/21/2012 10:31:01 AM
From: longnshort	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Have you ever read the US Constitution ? " Regan's "government is the problem not the solution." That is bullshit. Government has been the solution all through our history and should be respected, not always denigrated. Government protected us from Hitler and the Japanese." that's the one thing the gov is supposed to do, provide for the national defense the government didn't do anything on it's own. the taxes from business people provided for EVERYTHING the gov has done