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To: koan who wrote (20831)	7/27/2012 2:46:09 PM
From: mistermj	3 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

We both agree that government is needed for the function of a nation state. You will not admit that there are just as many problems or more from expanded government as there are from unchecked business interests. Lifetime politicians that buy power through entrenched political interests and siphon money from the masses for pet projects that line their pockets are no different than a Robber Barron. Business and government have their "elite" and it will be a never ending battle to keep both in check. It's called "life". Pretending otherwise, causes me to dismiss your views as disingenuous. Currently, we need more business and one hell of a lot less government.

To: koan who wrote (20831)	7/27/2012 3:28:02 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

Actually, England WAS the government our FF's rebelled against. Government passed the laws establishing and protecting slavery (the first Africans brought to Virginia were sold as indentured servants since they had a law for that, but not for slavery. Slave codes were passed much later). Later governments established segregation. The status of blacks in Virginia slowly changed over the last half of the 17th century. The black indentured servant, with his hope of freedom, was increasingly being replaced by the black slave. In 1705, the Virginia General Assembly removed any lingering uncertainty about this terrible transformation; it made a declaration that would seal the fate of African Americans for generations to come... "All servants imported and brought into the Country...who were not Christians in their native Country...shall be accounted and be slaves. All Negro, mulatto and Indian slaves within this dominion...shall be held to be real estate. If any slave resist his master...correcting such slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened." The code, which would also serve as a model for other colonies, went even further. The law imposed harsh physical punishments, since enslaved persons who did not own property could not be required to pay fines. It stated that slaves needed written permission to leave their plantation, that slaves found guilty of murder or rape would be hanged, that for robbing or any other major offence, the slave would receive sixty lashes and be placed in stocks, where his or her ears would be cut off, and that for minor offences, such as associating with whites, slaves would be whipped, branded, or maimed. For the 17th century slave in Virginia, disputes with a master could be brought before a court for judgement. With the slave codes of 1705, this no longer was the case. A slave owner who sought to break the most rebellious of slaves could now do so, knowing any punishment he inflicted, including death, would not result in even the slightest reprimand. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p268.html