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To: TimF who wrote (24371)	7/28/2012 12:09:20 PM
From: skinowski	2 Recommendations Respond to of 42652

I'm not saying we should get rid of social programs. Just as they cause problems they also relieve serious problems for a lot of people. But its important to recognize the problems as well, to try to minimize them, and to look skeptically at expansions of government that could expand them in scope or intensity. Would be hard to say this better. We need government, but... History is an endless story about governments turning into monsters. The American experiment started out as a story in which individuals were given a chance to grow up and be responsible for their own lives. But, 1776 was a long time ago. We are drifting towards becoming like "everyone else".

To: TimF who wrote (24371)	7/28/2012 3:13:14 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

To a great degree it was the case historically, and is currently, and would be more the case currently if it wasn't for government efforts (which crowd out some private efforts) and high government taxes (which reduce private resources for charity, and also create an impression in people that they already gave). So you are saying the poor were better off, say, 100 years ago? Before government programs, and out of the goodness of people's hearts? And before charities were "crowded out" by taxes? Seriously Tim, I know you have a good imagination and will argue with anything you perceive to be coming from "a liberal", but come on.