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To: koan who wrote (21031)	7/29/2012 11:23:48 AM
From: mel221	2 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

>> The poorer one's in this country are more likely to die of a treatable medical problem. Treatable at what cost? Many people can be treated with Heart/lung transplants. Where should the supply of Heart/lungs come from? Are you making any donations this week? The point is some treatments are severely limited for a variety of reasons; cost, resource availability, etc. So, healthcare rationing is a necessary fact of life. You cannot simply legislate it away. Rationing based on price is more effective than any other rationing mechanism. Technology is creating treatments that are sufficiently expensive that giving everyone access to every possibility will simply bankrupt the nation. Steve Jobs probably spent millions trying to survive his cancer. That level of care is not possible for everyone. >> I have lots of friends without health insurance and I watch them not go to the doctor when they should. I bet they have cell phones and smoke pot. That's what is great about our society. People get to choose.

To: koan who wrote (21031)	7/29/2012 11:24:35 AM
From: sm1th	1 Recommendation Respond to of 85487

You have your head stuck in the sand. You have yours stuck in a place where the sun don't shine.

To: koan who wrote (21031)	7/29/2012 12:12:03 PM
From: gamesmistress	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Given what we know about Obamacare, the odds are good that they won't be able to get timely care for a variety of reasons - i.e, a lack of doctors or specialists, it will be denied them because their age, weight, or whatever, and their taxes and/or premiums will go up anyway. Universal health insurance is no panacea and it does not equal health care. Individual states are trying different things - Massachusetts with Romneycare, where the premiums went up a LOT, Connecticut has HUSKY for kids and Charter Oak for adults, which provide some coverage but it's often hard to find a provider, and Vermont is now trying to implement single payer, but it's proving more difficult than they thought to come up with a workable plan that won't bankrupt the state and drive out the working taxpayers. I gather you didn't read the NYT Times article or the links to the British stories on the NHS. Pity. You would have learned something.