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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (41106)11/27/1997 9:31:00 PM
From: DavidG  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
TO ALL TECHIES

I have a question about 166MMX pentium chips.

Is it true that you can overclock a 166 to 200MHZ, 233MHZ and 250MHZ without any damage to the chip and the stability and reliability is the same????

Also I understand that the 166MHZ, 200MHZ and 233MHZ chips are all the same but just stamped differently.

I read on Toms hardware website that INTEL has modified 166MHZ chips to prevent overclocking.

Thanks to all experts that can provide info

DavidG



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (41106)11/27/1997 10:45:00 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Hi Mary and ALL...Article...Intel lays out the road to Katmai...

By Andy Santoni
InfoWorld Electric

Posted at 4:41 PM PT, Nov 26, 1997
Intel will have all but completed the shift from the Pentium to the Pentium II by the end of 1998, and will then begin a new round of upgrades with yet another Pentium II design - being developed under the code-name Katmai - that will offer an enhanced MMX multimedia instruction set.

Katmai CPUs are the fourth iteration of the P6 architecture, which began with the Pentium Pro.

Due early in 1999, the CPUs will be available in various configurations, including one with 512KB of Level 2 (L2) cache memory.

The devices follow a Deschutes Pentium II processor with on-board L2 cache, due in the fourth quarter of 1998, that aims at systems that sell for less than $1,500. This, in turn, follows a case-less and cache-less Pentium II, priced at approximately $100, for systems that sell for less than $1,000.

The first Deschutes processor, a Pentium II CPU built using Intel's 0.25-micron process, will be unveiled at the end of January or early in February, according to sources close to Intel.

The 333-MHz device, in a Slot 1 Single-Edge Cartridge, is for desktop systems.

The CPU will the be followed in April or May by 350-MHz and 400-MHz desktop parts, as well as 233-MHz and 266-MHz notebook chips in mobile module and minicartridge formats, according to sources.

At the same time, Intel will release the 440BX core-logic chipset, which will support synchronous DRAM and the Accelerated Graphics Port. The 440BX chipset will also support a 100-MHz system bus, which boosts system performance, said Nathan Brookwood, principal analyst at Dataquest, in San Jose, Calif.


These CPUs will give IS managers more high-performance choices, said Rob Enderle, area director at Giga Information Group, in Santa Clara, Calif.

"Expect some solid workstation-like notebooks at the high end initially," Enderle said. "This performance will move down to the volume mobile platform by year end, and value in mid to late 1999."

In June or July of 1998, Intel will release the 350-MHz and 450-MHz Pentium II desktop CPUs in the Slot 2 configuration, sporting as much as 2MB of L2 cache on the back-side bus, running at the full speed of the processor.

Intel will simultaneously introduce the 450NX core-logic chipset, which supports up to four Slot 2 processors in high-end workstation or server applications.

The Slot 1 and Slot 2 Pentium II will get a boost to 450 MHz in the second half of the year. Also in the second half, the 440BX chipset will be enhanced with support for the IEEE-1394 FireWire interface. In the third quarter of the year, Intel will also release a 300-MHz mobile Pentium II.

According to analysts, the 333-MHz desktop CPU will be priced approximately where the 300-MHz Pentium II stands today, a little more than $700. When the faster processor is announced, the 300-MHz Pentium II will drop by in price to approximately $200, the analysts said.

Over the course of the year, Pentium II prices will drop near those of Pentium MMX chips, obsoleting the P5-generation chip.

The Pentium MMX could be out of production at the end of 1998, according to Gerry Purdy, president of Mobile Insights, in Mountain View, Calif.

Some observers speculate that the 120-MHz mobile Pentium MMX might survive for mininotebooks, but Purdy suggested that Windows CE (running on a StrongARM processor), which Intel now makes as part of its deal with Digital, could address this market.

"We expect Pentium MMX to stay around through the end of 1998," agreed Linley Gwennap, editor in chief of the Microprocessor Report, in Sunnyvale, Calif. "To eliminate Pentium MMX from its line, Intel needs to bring prices down to $100 or so," he said.

Intel also needs to ramp production of 0.25-micron parts to meet the demands of all the markets the parts aim to serve, Gwennap said.
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Now Tahts a strategy. :-)

Michael



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (41106)11/28/1997 1:43:00 AM
From: Ali Chen  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Mary, <convincing Analysts that this industry is in the forefront of technological importance>

This is exactly where the problem is. You continue to think by inertia.

Many people think that Intel is no longer on the "forefront". The forefront has shifted into distributed computing, to system-on-chip, sub-priced home PC. They believe the situation is similar to between mainframes and PCs, but Intel now seems to be on the dying side.

As a huge monopolistic and non-responsive mechanizm, Intel continues to move by inertia. Early observations of Moore about infinite doubling of transitor count are no longer valid. Even if the count is still growing, the system performance has saturated and cannot be a selling point anymore.

With this change in computing rules, the succees or failure of AMD/NSM/IDT becomes less dependent from Intel wrong play.

The monster Merced could be the coffin for Intel dominance.

Ali



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (41106)11/28/1997 10:18:00 AM
From: Paul Fiondella  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Mary I'm not looking for a comparison with AMD

As in how can you criticize Intel, that great company, you beast!!

For example you wouldn't compare Volvo with GM saying the two companies both have a chance to dominate the auto industry. This is not a comparison of Intel and AMD in that sense. However each company has a marketing strategy. I understand AMD's (and they will be happy with a 30% market share), what's Intels now that the game has changed?

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It seems to me that their business model can't remain the same.

I refer you back to Ali Chen who pointed out that system performance may no longer be the selling point. You know IBM went this route once, then along came this underpowered PC that the slide rule boys said nobody would accept. And I know these guys because they were all wedded to their "safe" jobs and would never take a chance and go against the mother corp by going out on their own. They were all working for the monopoly of the time while I was out there in the PC industry taking my chances.

(Incidentally I have made money off both companies. I just think Intel is overvalued.)