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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (93628)8/17/2012 2:52:44 AM
From: average joe2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218469
 


The Treasure of the Sierra Madre.


Howard
: Say, answer me this one, will you? Why is gold worth some twenty bucks an ounce?
Flophouse Bum: I don't know. Because it's scarce.
Howard: A thousand men, say, go searchin' for gold. After six months, one of them's lucky: one out of a thousand. His find represents not only his own labor, but that of nine hundred and ninety-nine others to boot. That's six thousand months, five hundred years, scramblin' over a mountain, goin' hungry and thirsty. An ounce of gold, mister, is worth what it is because of the human labor that went into the findin' and the gettin' of it.
Flophouse Bum: I never thought of it just like that.
Howard: Well, there's no other explanation, mister. Gold itself ain't good for nothing except making jewelry with and gold teeth.



To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (93628)8/17/2012 9:09:51 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218469
 
Hello Haim, i share w/ you some observation, thoughts, and news, but nothing that would qualify as insight because insights re eternal money since primordial time are hard to come by.

(i) gold in not an investment, but money, just money, even if the best money, a store of value attributable to aggregate labour, energy, equipment depreciation, exploration expenses, environmental remediation and misc costs, marked to cost as and when mined, processed, and stacked, and marketed to market by the market, even if a manipulated market

(ii) producing gold mine is an investment, and exploration effort is a speculation

Both are gambles when considerations are given to governments, labour unions, local lords, and such.

(iii) your change of mind is opportune, I believe, because gold mines are cheaper now than a lot of other
finance.yahoo.com

(iv) apparently the authorities are beginning to change their minds as well, or at least changing what they say
zerohedge.com
Gold Continues To Be Money: CME Europe Now Accepts Gold As Clearing CollateralOver two years ago, the US Clearing house of the CME, the world's largest derivatives marketplace, had no choice but to allow gold as collateral. Why: because as we showed some days ago, while in Europe bank deposits are expansive, in the US, financial system funding relies primarily on mythical assets as liabilities, i.e., those that exist primarily due to faith in the system, something which has been in short supply, as a result of which the $15 trillion (down from a peak of $23 trillion) shadow banking system long used to fund regular operations, has been imploding.


Couple that with a scarcity of other (re)pledgeable assets which in the US do not, unlike the UK, have an infinite rehypothecation chain, and one can see why back in October 2009 the CME had no choice but to accept gold as eligible collateral for clearing purposes.

As of minutes ago, the European arm of CME Clearing has folded too, and has released a press release stating that it to0 "has extended the range of eligible collateral types to include gold bullion." Of course, this is the same gold bullion that Germany will be seeking to "repo" in exchange for sovereign bail outs as Europe's periphery continues to run out of endogenous money and has to increasingly rely on the benevolence of the Bundesbank.

For now all we need to know is that another exchange just threw in the towel and admitted that contrary to Bernanke's stern position, gold is, indeed money.


Full press release:

Launched in May 2011, CME Clearing Europe currently clears OTC commodity derivatives and plans, subject to regulatory approval, to introduce OTC Interest Rate Swap clearing later this year.

CME Clearing Europe, the London-based clearing house wholly-owned by CME Group, the world's leading and most diverse derivatives marketplace, today announced it has extended the range of eligible collateral types to include gold bullion.

The extension offers additional flexibility at a time when high quality collateral is at a premium and the clearing of over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives is increasing. CME Clearing Europe has followed the lead of CME Clearing, which has accepted gold to cover margin requirements since October 2009.
CME Clearing Europe is an FSA regulated, multi-asset class clearing house based in London that offers more than 200 OTC products for clearing. Its clearing model ensures stability and increases transparency in the OTC markets that it clears. CME Clearing Europe has its own dedicated staff, and its governance arrangements, capital and default resources are separate from those of CME Clearing in the US. As part of CME Group it nonetheless has full access to the to the clearing and risk management expertise, systems and financial strength of CME Clearing. More information can be found at www.cmeclearingeurope.com



To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (93628)8/17/2012 11:03:30 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum4 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218469
 
From: Veteran988/17/2012 2:19:29 PM

4 Recommendations of 220046
Unbelievable !!!! Ancient Rome had Nothing on Modern Day America .....

traderdannorcini.blogspot.ca

Ancient Rome had Nothing on Modern Day America


Historians have chronicled the decline of the Roman Empire detailing in great extent the internal rot and moral decadence that helped speed its eventual fall. The lack of ethics and virtue was bemoaned even in those days by some of its leading philosophers/statemen.

I find it therefore rather disconcerting to see the the eerie parallels between the symptoms of rot and decay prevalent in Rome before it fell and the current US financial system, which has become a cesspool/stinking outhouse in terms of any vestige of decency and integrity.

Witness the case of one Jon Corzine, which if there was any semblance of justice and virtue left in the current administration's Justice department, would have swiftly be sent to prison where he could play "drop the bar of soap" with his fellow inmates.

With that in mind, take a look at the following article and see if you can constrain your feeling of righteous revulsion.

Guilty As Sin And Free As A Bird – Corzine Edition He Simply Doesn’t Know Where The Money Is, But He’s Bored And Feels Like Starting A Hedge Fund
Hey, I’ve got good news and bad news this fine and wonderful morning. The good news is that there may well be a new investment opportunity for those of us eager to improve our financial means. The bad news is that it consists of a hedge fund run by none other than Jon “I simply do not know where the money is” Corzine.

http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2012/08/17/guilty-as-sin-and-free-as-a-bird-%e2%80%93-corzine-edition/