SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : View from the Center and Left -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Steve Lokness who wrote (197917)8/21/2012 1:21:44 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541453
 
Well that fixes it. I'm not saying I agree with the Romney fix as I surely do not. But I do think he would do something to fix the financial hole we are digging by not addressing the problem.

I doubt it. First of all, Ryan's voucher plan doesn't "fix medicare," and doesn't even really address problems with medicare. It purports to fix the financial issue. But it doesn't even do that really--because any savings that Ryan's plan alleged results in goes to drastically lower taxes on wealthy.

Here is what I think you aren't getting. Or even if you are, most people aren't--

THE REPUBLICANS SCREAM ABOUT THE DEBT BUT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO FIX IT.

OK, I didn't have to scream that, but really I did, because so many people appear to believe that Repubicans are sincerely trying to address the country's problems when what they are really trying to do is--fit the govt into a bathtub. The real strategy behind all of what they do is "Starve the Beast"--deprive the govt of revenue, put it into heavy debt, so that it can't do anything but what the Repubicans approve of, namely defense (their base makes a lot of money off of that) and protect contracts and property (which is a local govt thing). Once you see what they really want to do, the you can see Ryan's plan for what it really is--the effective destruction of the federal government.



To: Steve Lokness who wrote (197917)8/21/2012 1:49:27 PM
From: Sam  Respond to of 541453
 
Now this guy--who has supported Obama with big bucks and also given Ryan money--needs to be screamed at, because he just doesn't understand what the Ryan/ALEC game plan really is. They are magicians--"Step right up, folks, look at this deficit over here that we have to attack attack attack because it will ruin our great country. No sir, don't look at the tax break over there, that is the wrong thing to look at, that will create jobs which will lower the deficit, do you really believe what the CBO and others say about it, lots of laughs, heheheh?!"

"My approach to politics is that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm an American and I always support candidates I think are great for the country," Benioff said.

What's so attractive about Ryan, Benioff said, is his focus on deficit and budget issues. The nation's fiscal difficulties must be addressed, the CEO said, and Ryan's ideas offer "a lot of the right long-term thinking for the country."


Obama-friendly CEO gave to Paul Ryan
By Charles Riley @CNNMoney
August 21, 2012: 7:57 AM ET


Marc Benioff has donated to both President Obama and Rep. Paul Ryan


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Is it possible to love both President Obama and Rep. Paul Ryan?

Marc Benioff says yes. And the outspoken tech CEO is backing his words with campaign cash.

Benioff has helped raise more than $500,000 for Obama's re-election effort, and even hosted a $35,800-a-plate fundraiser featuring Stevie Wonder and hip-hop artist Will.i.am.

The founder and CEO of Salesforce.com ( CRM) is also an Obama national campaign co-chair, a distinction awarded to select Democratic heavyweights like Rahm Emanuel, Dick Durbin and Russ Feingold.

"I'm squarely a supporter of the president, and he is absolutely the right man for the job," Benioff said Monday.

But the tech executive is also a fan of Ryan -- Mitt Romney's running mate and a rising Republican star. In June, Benioff donated $10,000 to Ryan's political action committee after meeting with the candidate, who at the time had not been named to the GOP ticket and was running for re-election in the House.

How is that possible?

"My approach to politics is that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm an American and I always support candidates I think are great for the country," Benioff said.

What's so attractive about Ryan, Benioff said, is his focus on deficit and budget issues. The nation's fiscal difficulties must be addressed, the CEO said, and Ryan's ideas offer "a lot of the right long-term thinking for the country."

But Benioff cautioned that Ryan's budget plan -- which contains drastic spending cuts -- shouldn't be pursued anytime soon.

"I don't think his budget is a good idea in today's world. It would put us back into recession," Benioff said. "But he is putting the right issues on the table and has a long-term vision that is admirable."

During an interview on Monday, Benioff touched on other ideas that help explain his simultaneous support for the two candidates.

100+ CEOs promise no campaign donations

First, Benioff said the nation's fiscal problems are too severe to go unaddressed. No matter who wins in November, the next administration will be forced to make progress.

"I don't think it will matter who is elected," Benioff said. "Those issues are so overwhelming and so important that they will be addressed. I'm confident that it will happen."

And beyond that, Benioff favors politicians he thinks are capable of compromise and big ideas. 'There are a lot of politicians who are just obstructionists," Benioff said. "Ryan is not one of them."

Federal Election Commission records show that Benioff has a habit of giving generously to candidates of both parties. In 2007, he gave to Romney's campaign -- and Obama's. George W. Bush received donations in 1999 and 2003, while Al Gore got $1,000 in 1999.

The Obama campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.




To: Steve Lokness who wrote (197917)8/21/2012 2:09:36 PM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541453
 
I'm not saying I agree with the Romney fix as I surely do not.
But do you know what the Romney fix is? Because I sure don't. Ryan has some voucher plan, except we can't say vouchers anymore, because it doesn't poll well. Ryan's plan isn't supposed to kick in for 10 years, anyway. But then freelyhovering posted this David Brooks column in Message 28349499 that postulated this:

Moreover, when you look at the Medicare reform package Romney and Ryan have proposed, you find yourself a little surprised. You think of them of as free-market purists, but this proposal features heavy government activism, flexibility and rampant pragmatism.

The federal government would define a package of mandatory health benefits. Private insurers and an agency akin to the current public Medicare system would submit bids to provide coverage for those benefits. The government would give senior citizens a payment equal to the second lowest bid in each region to buy insurance.

This system would provide a basic health safety net. It would also unleash a process of discovery. If the current Medicare structure proves most efficient, then it would dominate the market. If private insurers proved more efficient, they would dominate. Either way, we would find the best way to control Medicare costs. Either way, the burden for paying for basic health care would fall on the government, not on older Americans. (Much of the Democratic criticism on this point is based on an earlier, obsolete version of the proposal.)
Now, as Brooks states it, that could be a reasonable plan- it's how a lot of government employee plans work, more or less. How it's supposed to cut costs and not cut benefits is sort of a conundrum, given that private insurance usually has 20% overhead, which is a lot steeper than what Medicare has. And there is this Ryan budget I versus Ryan budget II thing that I've never quite gotten straight. I'm still not sure if what Brooks is talking about is actually a proposed Ryan plan, or Brooks' interpretation, or something Brooks made up that maybe would somehow come out of something Ryan said somewhere. But checking with my friend google last night, all I got out of Romney on this is his illustrative whiteboard “No change” and “Solvent.” presentation of last Thursday.

As for the "screwed up solution", the more I read about ACA, the better I like it. Well, that's an exaggeration, the less I dislike it might be closer to the truth. The whole thing may be held together with baling wire, and with all Republicans dogmatic about doing everything they can to kill it, by hook or by crook, it could easily fall apart. But it does a lot of good things, and it's already started and will be doing more in coming years, and is a more comprehensive approach to the general health care issue than "reinventing" or patching up Medicare in some way 10 years from now. Romney's going to have to do a lot better on the whiteboard next time before I give Brooks (and Romney) any credence on this issue.

Brooks' column, originally at nytimes.com , has many other issues. First off, he makes this somewhat heretical claim:

Entitlement spending is crowding out spending on investments in our children and on infrastructure. This spending is threatening national bankruptcy. It’s increasing so quickly that there is no tax increase imaginable that could conceivably cover it. And, these days, the real entitlement problem is Medicare.
Heretical because, of course, there's no way a Republican-controlled government is ever going to invest savings from fixing entitlements in our children and on infrastructure. Well, I suppose you could make the argument that if they give more money to rich people it will somehow get to children and infrastructure, but from everything Romney and Ryan have said about taxes, that's the only path available for money to be redirected.
You’re still deeply uncomfortable with many other Romney-Ryan proposals. But first things first. The priority in this election is to get a leader who can get Medicare costs under control. Then we can argue about everything else. Right now, Romney’s more likely to do this.

I don't know anybody besides Brooks who thinks that's the priority in this election. And again, to the best of my knowledge, Romney hasn't said anything deeper than “No change” and “Solvent.” , and Ryan's stuff is years out. I'd be happy if Romney chose to make that a priority, and actually proposed something. Since Romney has, to the best of my knowledge, refused to say much about what he will do with the consensus priority of this election, the economy and unemployment, except vaguely endorsing Ryan budgeting, but not really, because the Romney budget is different, but he won't say how, I find the idea that he will say anything sensible about Medicare far-fetched.

Sorry to dump this on you. For some reason, that Brooks column really got to me. By now, I know what to expect from the candidates, which is not much, and I have no problem ignoring the normal realm of bloviation from op-ed types. Brooks sounds so calm and reasonable, though, but it sure seems that he's just making crap up.