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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (198257)	8/23/2012 12:23:07 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541339

From what I read when the Bell Curve came out, Murray's science was quite dubious. None of it was peer reviewed or published through regular scientific channels. He's now safely ensconced at that paragon of scientific rigor and objective research, AEI. As for talking and arguing about it, what do you want to talk and argue about? Murray's main claim seems to be that our class structure, along with everything else, is correlated with intelligence. Sort of a neo-social darwinism. It's all so very meritocratic. I'm sure that's quite reassuring to the billionaire boys club and all the other budding plutocrats out there doing their level best to suppress the vote this election. Since they're on top, they're obviously the smartest people in the world, and letting dumb people vote just isn't the thing to do. Murray seems to be writing about education of late, and it's perfectly reasonable to say that not everybody should go to college. Still, by all indications, he's political to the core, and unapologetic about it.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (198257)	8/23/2012 9:00:50 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541339

He made it okay to talk/argue about this--which we need to do instead of keeping it under the table. Bread, Murray is an ass. He made it OK to be stupid and racist. There were plenty of ministers back in the antebellum period who preached that slavery is "natural," God and Jesus himself assented to it, they certainly never condemned Abraham, for example, for having slaves, if the Bible proved anything, they said, it proved that slavery was justified. This was complete nonsense, but it had enough "truth" in it, and was repeated often enough by the then chattering classes in the South (and some in the North as well) that it acquired the status of plausibility, and gave slave owners permission to feel good about their property and their actions. That is what Murray does. I repeat--he is an ass. He advances nothing.