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To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (30172)9/2/2012 3:25:01 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"that's a lot of liars."

roswellproof.com

A lot of suspicious people, for sure...

"Why not dismiss all of this as well?"

Should I dismiss all of it? Or only the ones who flatly contradict your theory?

"When Wernher Von Braun [father of modern rocket science] was dying of cancer [1974], he asked me to be his spokesperson. Von Braun actually told me that the reasons for space-based weaponry that were going to be given – the enemies that we were going to identify – were all based on a lie. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics; that first the Russians are going to be considered the enemy. Then terrorists would be identified. Then we were going to identify third-world "crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern. The next enemy was asteroids – against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons. And over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up the last card. "And remember, Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens, and all of it is a lie." He would not tell me the details. I am not sure I would have absorbed them if he had told me the details, or even believed him in 1974. ... In 1977, I was at a meeting in Fairchild Industries in a conference room called the War Room. ... They continued the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these enemies and at some point, there was going to be a war in the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977!"

The biggest reason to doubt the presence of aliens is that Science as far as we know it shows that natural laws present an almost insurmountable barrier to an alien presence reaching us. There is no evidence of life anywhere near us in any astronomical or cosmological perspective.

atlasoftheuniverse.com

I do not discount the possibility but the "evidence" seems to be very anecdotal--a lot of murder weapons but no dead bodies...



To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (30172)9/2/2012 3:54:45 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
The primary scientific arguments against ETH were summarized by Astronomer and UFO researcher J. Allen Hynek during a presentation at the 1983 MUFON Symposium. During which time he outlined seven key reasons why he could not accept the ETH.[31]

1."Failure of Sophisticated Surveillance Systems to Detect Incoming or Outgoing UFOs"

2."Gravitational and Atmospheric Considerations"

3."Statistical Considerations"

4."Elusive, Evasive and Absurd Behavior of UFOs and Their Occupants"

5."Isolation of the UFO Phenomenon in Time and Space: The Cheshire Cat Effect"

6."The Space Unworthiness of UFOs"

7."The Problem of Astronomical Distances"

Hynek argued that:

1.Despite worldwide radar systems and Earth-orbiting satellites, UFOs are alleged to flit in and out of the atmosphere, leaving little to no evidence.

2.Space aliens are alleged to be overwhelmingly humanoid, and are allegedly able to exist on Earth without much difficulty (often lacking "space suits", even though extra-solar planets would likely have different atmospheres, biospheres, gravity and other factors, and extraterrestrial life would likely be very different from Earthly life.)

3.The number of reported UFOs and of purported encounters with UFO-inhabitants outstrips the number of expeditions that an alien civilization (or civilizations) could statistically be expected to mount.

4.The behavior of extraterrestrials reported during alleged abductions is often inconsistent and irrational.

5.UFOs are isolated in time and space: like the Cheshire Cat, they seem to appear and disappear at will, leaving only vague, ambiguous and mocking evidence of their presence

6.Reported UFOs are often far too small to support a crew traveling through space, and their reported flight behavior is often not representative of a craft under intelligent control (erratic flight patterns, sudden course changes).

7.The distance between planets makes interstellar travel impractical, particularly because of the amount of energy that would be required for interstellar travel using conventional means, (According to a NASA estimate, it would take 7×1019 Joules of energy to send the current space shuttle on a one-way, 50 year, journey to the nearest star, an enormous amount of energy[32]) and because of the level of technology that would be required to circumvent conventional energy/fuel/speed limitations using exotic means such as Einstein Rosen Bridges as ways to shorten distances from point A to point B.(see Faster than light travel).[33]

According to Hynek, points 1 through 6 could be argued, but point 7 represented an insurmountable barrier to the validity of the ETH.[33]

More recently, Professor Stephen Hawking argued that because most UFOs turn out to have prosaic explanations, it was reasonable to presume that the "unidentified" UFOs also had prosaic origins.[34]

[edit] NASA

NASA frequently fields questions in regard to the ETH and UFOs. As of 2006, its official standpoint was that ETH has a lack of empirical evidence.

"no one has ever found a single artifact, or any other convincing evidence for such alien visits". David Morrison.[35] "As far as I know, no claims of UFOs as being alien craft have any validity -- the claims are without substance, and certainly not proved". David Morrison[36]

Despite public interest, NASA considers the study of ETH to be irrelevant to its work because of the number of false leads that a study would provide, and the limited amount of usable scientific data that it would yield.

"That whole subject is really irrelevant to our own human quest to travel to space ... if someone in the previous century saw a film of a 747 flying past, it would not tell them how to build a jet engine, what fuel to use, or what materials to make it out of. Yes, the wings are a clue, but just that, a clue." NASA.[37]



To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (30172)9/2/2012 4:41:03 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 69300
 



To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (30172)9/2/2012 5:11:56 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
nytimes.com[]

"Nikola Tesla electrified the world with alternating current, then slipped into obscurity, dying penniless in 1943 on the 33rd floor of the New Yorker Hotel in Manhattan. But though his fame was eclipsed by other inventors, he was never forgotten: A hardy band of enthusiasts has long sought to give this eccentric genius his due.

Now his devotees are making headway in their efforts to create a lasting memorial to Tesla by buying and restoring Wardenclyffe, the overgrown 16-acre estate on the North Shore of Long Island that features his only surviving workshop.

Three fund-raising efforts are under way. All envision turning the rundown laboratory into a museum or educational center, but each has a distinct way of raising the money — online donations; foreign contributions; and simple philanthropy, in the form of a feature film that would memorialize Tesla, a bold visionary of Serbian birth.

“Many people don’t know who Tesla is,” the filmmaker, Joseph Sikorski, said in an interview. “We want to tell his story. It’s a mystery thriller meant to bring in young people.”

The 16-acre site, in Shoreham, has been up for sale since February 2009. Now — rather suddenly — Tesla fans are racing to buy the property and its crumbling lab from the Agfa Corporation, which used the wooded site from 1969 to 1992 in its photographic operations. The listed price is $1.6 million.

Tesla is best known for establishing alternating current as the basis for the modern transmission of electrical power. His first big success came in 1896, when a generating plant at Niagara Falls sent electricity to industries in Buffalo, some 20 miles away.

In 1901, he began work on a global system of giant towers meant to relay news, pictures and electricity through the air rather than wires.

Tesla’s friend Stanford White — the architect who designed the Washington Square Arch in Greenwich Village, as well as such neoclassical landmarks as the Century Club — drew up plans for a large laboratory of red brick, while a colleague designed the adjoining tower.

By 1903, the wooden tower rose more than 18 stories above the surrounding farms. One night, it fired bolts of electricity into the sky. But the system failed for want of money and practicality.

Today, the ruins of Wardenclyffe include the tower’s concrete foundation and the decaying laboratory, its windows boarded up and covered with graffiti.

“Raccoons live in there, and the roof leaks,” said John P. O’Hara, a Long Island real estate agent who represents the property.

The budget of the Tesla movie, to be called “Fragments From Olympus,” would include the purchase of Wardenclyffe. To lure investors, Mr. Sikorski, a maker of corporate videos, filmed a five-minute teaser that features Leo Rossi, a veteran character actor who appeared in such movies as “Analyze This” (1999) and “The Accused” (1988), in which he played the film’s central antagonist.

“The man was a veritable genius,” Mr. Rossi says of Tesla in a video promoting the proposed film. “Why don’t we make more movies about people like him?”

The filmmakers say they have signed up the actress Sean Young (“Blade Runner,” “Wall Street”) and the cinematographer Howard J. Smith (the “Matrix” films, “Men in Black III”). The plot revolves around the inventor’s struggles and triumphs, as well as the United States government’s interest in what Tesla described as a death ray.

If the film moves forward, its funds for buying Wardenclyffe would go to the Tesla Science Center, a private group in Shoreham that is seeking to turn the dilapidated laboratory into an educational memorial.

Another fund-raising effort emerged this month, when the Web comic site The Oatmeal helped another site, Indiegogo, raise almost $1 million toward the purchase. The effort is to run through late September.

Jane Alcorn, president of the Tesla Science Center, said the Shoreham group was preparing to approach Agfa about the purchase and that, if successful, the sale would qualify for as much as $850,000 in reimbursement from New York State.

“People seem excited to contribute,” she said last week about the latest push, noting that the Indiegogo donors lived in 102 countries.

The final acquisition bid involves a Moscow woman of Serbian descent named Milka Kresoja. (Tesla was of Serbian birth, and one of his sisters was named Milka.) She has contacted Agfa and visited Wardenclyffe but publicly disclosed few details about her plans.

In an e-mail, she called her intentions “noble and sincere.” Her plan, she added, is to use Wardenclyffe “not only as the reminder of what great Tesla truly did for humanity” but as a way to inspire new advances.

Ms. Kresoja owns a restaurant in Moscow, the Blue Elephant, and practices a supposed method of mystic healing known as Tesla Metamorphosis. It claims that therapeutic rays can travel long distances to cure cancer and even birth defects. Ms. Kresoja helps run its seminars around the world, which can cost $1,840.

Tesla fans on Long Island seem wary of the foreign effort, worrying that it might turn the old laboratory into a theme restaurant or a mystic wonderland — or both.

“I’d like to see a local group get it,” Mr. O’Hara said."