To: slacker711 who wrote (140510 ) 9/12/2012 9:37:03 AM From: NAG1 Respond to of 213173 Slacker, While I would agree that there are some things that Apple could do better, I think that the author of the article takes things too far. Just because Apple adds stuff to make things look nice doesn't make them less usable, in most instances. And just because MSFT uses a minimalist approach to Windows 8, doesn't make it more usable. While designers and techies might like Windows more because of the tweekability factor, I have read more stuff from users that just hate the new design and found that the new Windows is less usable than previous versions. My own take on Windows 8 is that I absolutely cannot stand the tiles approach to things. It literally makes me sick just to look at it. But that is just me. It will be interesting to see how things go when it is actually out there for real instead of just beta. Getting back to the original article you quoted, I was looking at the comments and found 2 particularly interesting BRIAN MINTUN Today 03:44 AM The reason you shouldn't allow designers to decide how something should look or operate is the same reason you shouldn't allow a developer to write support articles. They have built up too many assumptions about what other people know or don't know, and what people can easily understand and what they can't. It's far easier to let the real world, and tens if not hundreds of years of trial and error be the guide. This is why Apple chooses to make their apps the way they do--not for designers. It's the same reason they don't market their computers and software to geeks. OSX and iOS are not for designers and geeks--they're for your Mom and Dad, and mine. I see no problem with that at all. There is enough geeky crap my parents don't understand already. PETER LÆRKE LORENTZEN Today 06:01 AM I for one think that the fact that OSX and iOS are "for your Mom and Dad" does not make it less a device for geeks and designers. It just means that anyone can use them. I do not see why this should be a negative thing. I've been an Apple user for the last 5-6 years, but before that my OS of choice was Windows and Ubuntu Linux. I do agree that, as a tech-savvy person, Windows and Linux offers way more customization and "independent" computing, which might be more suitable for some tech-savvy people. But I have to say that I love that with my Apple products, all my interaction with digital devices has become something I don't notice – I just do things with them. For me, that's a positive thing. For me, the most important thing from these comments is that things just work and most of the time, whether I am on my iPad, iPhone or iMac. I think as long as Apple sticks to just making things work for most of the people, it will be OK. When it stops doing this, it will time to look at selling Apple stock. With the new iPhone, as long as things work and are easy for people to figure out, it will do well. JMO though. Good luck out there. Neal Edit-I see Allen said the same thing much simpler and quicker than I did :-)