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To: Bonefish who wrote (673910)9/16/2012 11:14:39 PM
From: joseffy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1583412
 
Bill Press: Anti-Islam Filmmakers 'As Guilty as the Terrorists' Who Killed Americans in Libya


NewsBusters.org ^ | September 16, 2012 | Jack Coleman


Radio host Bill Press is determined to win the title of most useful idiot to the jihad.

With his most recent lunacy this past Friday, Press is well on his way. (Audio clip after page break)


Behold, what passes for wisdom from the warped wasteland known as liberal radio (audio) --

Now here's the question though and the question that I ask you and it's not an easy one, I understand that. What, if anything, should happen to the people who made this video? I gotta tell you, I think they are as guilty, that's my opinion, I think they are as guilty as the terrorists who carried out those attacks against our embassy in Libya. Look, we don't know everybody who was involved, but we've seen, I've seen some of them on television. This is a group of extremist, Muslim-hating, so-called Christians in southern California who are using their religion to stir up hatred against Islam. They're basing this on their Christian beliefs. They are, I believe, every bit as guilty as al Qaeda members who, think about it, who use the Koran and abuse their religion to stir up hatred against the United States. These so-called Christians, anybody who uses religion to stir up hate, is not a true believer. And certainly Christians who do so are not true Christians.

So these so-called Christians using their faith to stir up hatred against another of the world's great religions, it is absolutely disgusting and they've gotta know, they had to know what would result in that. After what happened with those Danish cartoons, right, or cartoons drawn for that Danish newspaper. After what happened with that nutjob Terry Jones down in Florida burning the Koran and people getting killed in Afghanistan over the protest that that, that that triggered. After what happened when we saw the video of American troops urinating on Muslim soldiers, right? After that, you had, they had to know that a video like this, not saying that the Muslims are not overreacting. I mean, they're hypersensitive about this stuff, I mean, Jesus, you know, just cool it, right? I mean, we show Jesus naked all the time hanging on the cross.

But, at any rate, their reaction is way overblown. But these, I hate to call them Christians, these so-called Christians had to know that that video would result in certain parts of the world, it would result in violence, it would result in lives being lost. I think, again, they are every bit as guilty and I think the United States, this is not freedom of speech. It's just the old thing, you can't cry fire in a crowded theater and have people trampled to death and say, oh, I was just exercising my freedom of speech. This is an abuse of the First Amendment. It's using, abusing their freedom of speech to cost innocent lives and to cause the taking of innocent lives in certain parts of the world. So, I think the United States ought to identify, yeah, we oughta be going after these terrorists that carried out the attacks in Libya and we are. I think we also ought to be identifying the people who made this video and go after them with the full force of the law and lock their ass up.

Press starts with a shaky premise and it's downhill from there. By the end of the week, as even the most oblivious had to be aware, it looked more likely that the attack on the US consulate in Libya was retaliation for the drone killing of al Qaeda's second in command, a native-born Libyan.

But even if the attackers in Libya were motivated by anger over the "Innocence of Muslims" video, does Bill Press actually want to allow "hypersensitive" Islamists to dictate what Westerners are allowed to upload to YouTube? Surely it doesn't take much imagination to see the censorious demands not ending there.

After "The Satanic Verses" came out in 1988 and the Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa calling for the death of its author, Salman Rushdie, enraged Muslims murdered a Japanese translator and tried to kill two other people connected to the book's publication. Was Rushdie complicit in that onslaught, Mr. Press? Seeing how there cannot possibly be a statute of limitation for offenses against Islam, Rushdie must still be as guilty as those who responded to his book with violence against others, at least by Press's illogic.

Arguably the most bizarre of Press's remarks is that the filmmakers behind this video are "every bit as guilty as al Qaeda members" who "abuse their religion to stir up hatred against the United States." That's a rather tepid description of what al Qaeda has actually done over the last decade and a half, don't you think? I'd venture to say they went far beyond the "stir" stage some time ago in favor of full-scale mass murder.

Anyone who equates drawing a provocative cartoon as akin to beheading the cartoonist was lost to relativism a long, long time ago. Sigmund Freud once observed that civilization began with the first man hurling an insult instead of a rock.

This isn't yelling fire in a crowded theater, as Press claims. It's about being able to show a movie in that theater without jihadists burning it down.

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To: Kaslin
Every time Press opens his big mouth, I’m reminded more of what a total retard his is. Liberalism is a mental disorder and Press is definitely the Mother Of All Liberals.



2 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:44:07 PM by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: Kaslin
Little bitty minds..



3 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:44:48 PM by dalebert
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To: FlingWingFlyer
But he sure looks snappy in his SS uniform.



4 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:45:19 PM by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin
johnspeedie.com



5 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:45:30 PM by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Kaslin
And yet most people would scoff at the idea that Sharia law could be implemented in the U.S. Bill Press is essentially calling for it without the faintest idea that he is doing it. There are unfortunately enough useful idiots like him that it could eventually happen.



6 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:46:41 PM by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Kaslin
Bill Press can kiss my ass and go to hell.



7 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:46:59 PM by sport
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To: Kaslin
anybody who uses religion to stir up hate, is not a true believer. And certainly Christians who do so are not true Christians. He is right on that singular point, and dead wrong on everything else.

8 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:48:46 PM by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: Kaslin
Victory after victory over the Constitutional Republic now has the left emboldened as they now attack the 1st Amendment in a full frontal assault:

Flashback: Obama Administration Pushes UN Resolution That Bans Criticism of Islam

thegatewaypundit.com

This is not America: Blood boiling over criminalization of filmmaker, quashing of free speech

twitchy.com

ObamaCare vs. the First Amendment

online.wsj.com



9 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:49:03 PM by Para-Ord.45
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To: Kaslin
He needs a good old fashioned debilitating stroke. He is our enemy and if he becomes a casualty it is good



10 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:49:18 PM by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Kaslin
After what happened with those Danish cartoons, right, or cartoons drawn for that Danish newspaper

11 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:49:36 PM by Tennessee Nana
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To: Kaslin
Isn’t that statement self-contradictory? If it’s the filmmaker’s fault, then doesn’t that absolve the terrorists of responsibility?

Either Muslim terrorists are responsible for their actions, or they’re not. If you blame the guy who made the movie for the way the terrorists reacted then you’re saying that they’re not responsible for what they did.



12 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:49:42 PM by Random_User_250 ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism." -- Vladimir Lenin)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Liberalism is an infantile mental disorder! Press is suffering from a crainial-rectal inversion.

13 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:50:47 PM by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Someone should put that image on a tee shirt. it would sell millions.



14 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:52:49 PM by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Kaslin
What do Bill Press and liberals think about Piss Christ?

As I recall, at the time that “art” was done, liberals defended the right of the “artist” to show “art” which was deeply offensive to those of certain religious beliefs.

So, to be intellectually honest, liberals now should be defending the right of someone to make an “art” statement, even if that statement is in the form of a silly movie which offends Muslims.

The only difference between this video and Piss Christ is the religions which are targeted with offensive images.



15 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:53:10 PM by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin
Bill Press makes his living off the extreme left....

Over the years he has become more outrageous.... I guess its the only way he can compete with the wackos for attention.

He should be discounted.... and ignored.



16 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:54:20 PM by mike_9958
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To: Kaslin
The only lesson to be learned in all of this is... It is time for Christians to start rioting.



17 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:55:05 PM by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW 2 now?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego


18 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:55:13 PM by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Kaslin
Then by his logic (or lack thereof), the jet aircraft mohammad atta and his crews flew into the WTC and Pentagon are as responsible as atta and his saudi conspirators.

19 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:57:41 PM by Tahoe3002
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To: Tennessee Nana
The universal muslim symbol of the bacon and the butthole.



20 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:58:25 PM by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kaslin
Press is just short-witted enough to think Islamic rage is because of a non-movie. Sorry Bill, but your boy Obama screwed up, like usual. The Muslim Brotherhood scheme was idiocy, and it has backfired on the fraud who would be king. Man up to it.



21 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:59:06 PM by pallis
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To: Kaslin
What a shock: all the people calling for censorship and abrogation of the constitution turn out to be card-carrying liberals. Reveals the petty, totalitarian minds of these creeps. Inside the body of every lib-leftist beats the heart of a fascist bursting to get out.



22 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:59:59 PM by driftless2
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To: sauropod
Press is suffering from a crainial-rectal inversion.Believe you ment cranial-rectal insertion,

23 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:00:50 PM by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Arrest the makers of Dark Knight?



24 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:03:11 PM by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: scooby321
Excellent point!



25 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:06:27 PM by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: Kaslin
Only in the liberal leftist mind of Press and those like him is this an abuse of the First Amendment. Leftists fully stand behind the First Amendment for themselves but abandon it when it doesn't suit their agenda.

26 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:06:35 PM by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kaslin
Anyone public figure who says something like this should immediately be labelled as a RACIST! Holding the West responsible for words or taunts which provoke violent reactions among those in the middle east is casting us in the role of a superior being and them in the role of a wild animal, lacking the inability to control their emotions and therefore the need for full accountability when they don't.

This is the attitude you'd take if a man taunts a bear in the wild and then gets mauled. This is not something you should be saying when talking about relations with other human beings, all of whom should be viewed as equals, regardless of their race or nationality.

I'm sure, for example, that Press would not have made comments like this if any Mormons had reacted violently to the vile comments made about their religion by O'Donnell, and then caused harm to either him or anyone else at MSNBC. It's clear to see, in that hypothetical, that any such comments would universally by labelled as bizarre and outrageous. But it's a useful comparison, as it reveals the racist nature of such comments in this case.

27 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:08:06 PM by zencycler
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To: Kaslin
therefore the need for full accountability when they don't.

To clarify, I meant - and therefore also lacking the need for full accountability when they don't - in that sentence.


28 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:11:59 PM by zencycler
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To: Kaslin
Bill Press....poor thing.



29 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:12:09 PM by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Kaslin
Didn’t Bill Mahr make an anti-Islamic video back in 2008 or there about??



30 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:12:47 PM by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: Kaslin
[Article] Press starts with a shaky premise and it's downhill from there. It would be nice if he could learn to organize his thoughts first and speak in complete sentences.

The inability to speak standard English and the inability to think rationally seem to be closely linked. So why is this guy wealthy and famous, again?

31 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:16:12 PM by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
Hillary and the Admin are using this film to cover their own bungling efforts at foreign policy. Rommney and Ryan need to be all over this everyday.



32 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:16:12 PM by Americanexpat (�It is going to get even worse now that the)
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To: Kaslin
And Obama constantly spiking the ball over Bin Laden’s death is less important than a movie practically no one has seen? Press is auditioning for Carney’s job.



33 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:17:41 PM by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Kaslin
I guess he wants those who made the Dark Knight to be prosecuted for that theater shooting too?

dummie



34 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:18:19 PM by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
There is an army of people out here who think Bill Press and his ilk are responsible for those deaths because of their hard left, bring America to her knees views.



35 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:18:29 PM by jazzlite (esat)
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To: noiseman
Bill Press is essentially calling for [Sharia law] without the faintest idea that he is doing it. Oh, yeah -- and ignorant, too. That's the other thing.

36 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:18:29 PM by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
This notion that ‘crying fire in a crowed theater’ is the standard that allows the government to justify censorship of published material is a red herring. The standard is one of clear and present danger to public safety. Documents and films do not in any sense create a ‘present’ danger. You cannot claim that your safely is at immediate risk because of something you see or hear or read on a medium. That some people become enraged and moved to violence is a reaction completely under the control of even the most fanatical of the extremists. They are certainly not motivated by fear for their lives of safety, but by hate for anyone who does not agree with them; just as Mr. press is motivated by hate for anyone who does not agree with him.

37 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:21:23 PM by Old North State
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To: Kaslin
Well I hope liberals are paying attention...

Who is it exactly that are ready to give up your and my first amendment rights to placate third world barbarians?

Who is it standing up for basic freedom?

Get a freaking clue!



38 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:24:46 PM by DB
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To: Kaslin
rape and murder are the moral equivalent of questioning religious beliefs?

Bill Press no longer an atheist- now is the perfect muslim convert... death to apostates



39 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:25:33 PM by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin
It's just the old thing, you can't cry fire in a crowded theater..Sorry Bill, but your analogy sucks.

Yelling fire in crowded theater crosses the line because it prompts an understandable reaction from reasonable people. If instead we establish the limits of speech based on the reactions of crazy people, then all speech is at risk, because crazy people will go nuts over anything.

This is so obvious that even a walnut sized liberal brain should be able to understand it.

40 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:30:23 PM by Yardstick
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To: cripplecreek
The universal muslim symbol of the bacon and the butthole. Slices of raw bacon make great bookmarks.

youtube.com

41 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:32:31 PM by cynwoody
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To: Kaslin
Sometimes a liberal will have a flash of principledness and recite the old motto “I may disagree with what you say but I’ll fight for your right to say it”.

Always good for a chuckle.



42 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:37:59 PM by Yardstick
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To: Kaslin
Why didn’t press complain about the u-tube film in July, Autust but waited until 9/11 or a few days later to mention it and the producer??? HMMM??? Isn’t supposed to be an investigative reporter/talk host? Or is he just another mouth piece spouting the whitehouse false complaints??



43 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:14:09 PM by tillacum
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To: cynwoody
I can’t wait to hear what Bill Press has to say when Zero Dark Thirty riots begin!



44 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:14:46 PM by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: sport
sport, correction please “Bill Press can kiss my ROYAL ASS...”



45 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:15:38 PM by tillacum
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To: Kaslin
So if speech is directly responsible for bad behavior then Bill
Press should shut the hell up before someone gets hurt ...or
worse.



46 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:18:41 PM by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: tillacum
OOOOPS! Autust should ge August...



47 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:20:13 PM by tillacum
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To: Kaslin
Al and Tipper Gore should bring back the PMRC and expand the focus to burning Youtube videos as well as records.



48 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:02:38 PM by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Kaslin
Leftist fascists have always been the danger to the liberty of human beings. Nothing new there.



49 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:09:04 PM by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Kaslin
Ok, let us play this game.

Bill Press, who repeated the fraudulent Newsweak story about “Flushing a koran at gitmo” in 2005 that resulted in Americans being killed around the world is guilty of being an accessory to murder and should be prosecuted.



50 posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:35:06 PM by MNJohnnie



To: Bonefish who wrote (673910)9/16/2012 11:19:43 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 1583412
 
Obama makes the US Shari’a compliant. He must resign- now

Flopping Aces ^ | 09-16-12 | DrJohn




There once was a Constitution in this country.

There once was free speech in this country.

No longer. Shari'a is the new law of our land, and Barack Obama has brought it to us.

The less bright among us still believe that the unrest in the Middle East is consequent to a ineptly produced movie denigrating Islam.

Utter boneheads such as Anthea Butler tell us that "Sam Bacile" should be arrested because his movie

denigrates the religion by depicting the faith's founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers.
Butler, who is either addle-brained or ignorant conveniently ignores events and items such as Piss Christ



and Virgin Mary complete with elephant dung.



Butler finds no offense in the offense of Catholicism, just like Barack Obama.

Michael Moore made a factually impaired movie about the Bush administration and the left loved it. If making movies with false premises was a crime Michael Moore would be death row.

It's called free speech. It was guaranteed by the US Constitution. As Votlaire is attributed with saying, I disapprove of what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Until now.

Now it's pretty much over.

Obama's jackbooted a**hole Eric Holder and the DOJ have made the US Shari'a compliant. If someone offends Allah, he is screwed.

Someone professing to be named Sam Bacile made a terribly terrible movie about Mohammed. The Islamic prophet is broadly insulted in the movie. It turns out that Sam Bacile is actually an Egyptian Coptic Christian named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. Like him or not, Coptic Christians are and have been under attack by Muslims in Egypt for some time. A guy can get sensitive about his brethren being killed and burned.

Well, he made this movie and by allah counts it's terrible.

But that's irrelevant. He had a right to make the movie under the Constitution of the United States.

At least, until Barack Obama came along. Obama's DOJ is after Nakoula.

Firstly, they made sure everyone knew who he was. Holder's Nazis first identified Nakoula and then they painted a target on Nakoula's back by first identifying his house and car ( I am not about to post the link).

Now he's been picked up by the Feds for "questioning."


(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...



To: Bonefish who wrote (673910)9/17/2012 12:29:40 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1583412
 
Grasping at straws again?

No, facts.