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To: RMF who wrote (56560)	10/2/2012 8:45:53 AM
From: HPilot	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71588

I keep hearing people like Michele Bachman saying that we want a country along the lines of what the Founding Fathers wanted and NOT a country like you'd find in Europe, but ACTUALLY our Founding Fathers were a heck of a lot more like current day Europeans than they are like what you'd find in rural America. No way. Europe is socialist. The founding fathers were complete capitalists. Not even a safety net. Except perhaps you would be fed in debtors prison. On the negative side, they were racists, and homophobes. But then everybody was back then.

To: RMF who wrote (56560)	10/2/2012 11:50:24 AM
From: Peter Dierks	3 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71588

I'm not sure what the current defintion of "liberalism" is. Here is a good run down of what current liberalism is: conservapedia.com There were no real social programs of any sort when the Founding Fathers were around. When I talk about them being "liberal", I'm talking about their attitudes towards religion and social mores. They had seen countries where religion CONTROLLED everything and they didn't think the U.S. should be run by any ONE religion. They weren't "religious" people. I keep hearing people like Michele Bachman saying that we want a country along the lines of what the Founding Fathers wanted and NOT a country like you'd find in Europe, but ACTUALLY our Founding Fathers were a heck of a lot more like current day Europeans than they are like what you'd find in rural America. There were social programs when the FFs were around, they were run at a very low cost by churches. Contemporary medical professionals understood their responsibility included providing healthcare to those who would never be able to pay. Of course contemporary poor would provide produce or meat or whatever they did produce to those providers rather than risk being considered charity cases. Liberal about religion and social mores? They were very religious people. They fled religious tyranny. In France to be Protestant was to be dead. England was intolerant of every deviation from Anglicanism. The Dutch didn't like the Quakers. Etc. They were rather morally uptight with the exception of Franklin. The FFs tried to make religious persecution difficult. They were predominantly protestant with a significant number of Deists. If you think the FFs were more like the morally decrepit Europeans of today than current rural Americans you are full of excrement. They were probably more like todays rural Americans than they were like any group affiliated with the democrat party.