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To: spiral3 who wrote (20958)	10/8/2012 7:00:52 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39304

Millions of people have experienced profound healing effects from changing their diet I have, too. I lost a dramatic amount of weight from going low carb. I felt better because I was not carrying as much of a load. And my health outcome was likely improved because obesity is a risk factor. If you are sad, depressed, anxious etc it’s likely that your body is taking strain too. Sure, but so what?. That is only relevant to the question on the table if the addition of veggies makes one less sad, depressed, anxious, etc. The effect of veggies is the question on the table, if you recall. A fair bunch of people test well, dare I say even feel good, and die shortly thereafter. Indeed, that was my point. Improving quality of life is not the same as improving health outcomes. Good health to me means going beyond "not being sick", "not being fat" etc but is rather an active, vital, robust, resillient state that involves your entire being - physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, spiritually etc. I have no issue with that. What I have been questioning is the causal relationship between that and the consumption of veggies. The role of veggies is the question on the table, if you recall. You say that eating veggies makes you feel better whereas I don't notice any difference in how I feel. If it makes you feel better, that's a good thing in and of itself. And if feeling better makes you less sad, depressed, anxious, etc. and those things are bad for your health, then the veggies could be said to potentially benefit your health outcome as well as your quality of life. The relationship you describe is indirect. If eating veggies does not make you feel better, then the causal relationship between veggies and health outcome is not there. What are you looking for, one magic bullet study that says vegetables – Yes or No. I'd like to see a study that demonstrates a causal relationship. I've grown weary of hypotheses framed as conclusions, myths framed as facts, and beliefs framed as knowledge. And even worse, doing so to the point where governments impose constraining regulation based on hypotheses, myths, and beliefs.