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To: Paul Senior who wrote (49695)10/8/2012 4:07:12 PM
From: Grommit  Respond to of 78717
 
Sounds like you are not proud of your pick. The company seems to give a lot of shares away. Insiders would rather have cash.
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To: Paul Senior who wrote (49695)10/8/2012 9:58:26 PM
From: Spekulatius1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78717
 
I don't see the promise with CLC. It does seem that you have trouble to explain your purchase in this stock. Which brings up a question that I wanted to ask before: why do you buy stocks that you don't consider a value at the time of purchase? Examples are CLC, EXPD and CFR that I remember recently. These stocks were not a value by your own admission, when you purchased them, but apparently you liked the companies and purchased a small position. Subsequently you sold the stock (which failed to go up) and the reason is not quite clear either. Was it that you researched the business, and decided to buy some stock, just to justify the time you spent on them? This sometimes happens to me, that the longer I look into a particular sector, the more value stocks I find, mostly with not that great results. It's like itching to play in a poker game, even if you know that your cards aren't good, just because you feel like you need some action.

I often find sectors or business that i like, but if I don't find the companies to be a value, I don't buy, or search a bit more to find foreign companies in the same business, or I find similar business.

For filters, I'd look at MMM, for example. While the majority of their business is not in filters, they do have a business there and many other lines, that look just as well in terms of profits and potential. Or maybe catch the water angle with XYL or something exotic like Kurita (7370.T). I think the filter business is quite nice, with a consumables angle, maintenance contracts, and a high risk, if there is a failure, which makes the switching cost quite high. But paying 20x earnings for a mediocre looking company like CLC does not make sense to me.



To: Paul Senior who wrote (49695)10/10/2012 9:11:30 AM
From: Bocor1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 78717
 
Are you keeping your CMI after the warning? Depending on the premiums, I am looking to sell some OTM puts.

Seems these big companies never hold their losses for very long. Did the same thing for FDX, UPS, TPX, etc.