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To: NikhilJog who wrote (49707)10/9/2012 4:08:02 PM
From: Paul Senior1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 78744
 
well are you sure its not a value trap? that was my question. firms can have low P/E and they can keep having that low P/E for 4 years.


If you're looking at continued low p/e and saying therefore it's a value trap --- that's not quite correct, imo. If something has a low p/e year after year, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a value trap. For me, I search out such companies. I'm interested as long as the earnings don't seem like they will drop in those future years. Because in those future years, if the earnings do fall, the price (p) will drop (hurting me), and yet the p/e might still stay low. (When I've seen huge drops in earnings though, the p/e has often risen actually. Denominator "e" becomes so much smaller it pushes up the ratio. Even though "p" falls too.)

That seems to be the point with WDC, others. There may be a sea change with their businesses, and so people believe earnings will indeed fall -- maybe jeopardizing the company's business or existence. If anywhere near true, the stock(s) could be value trap(s) if bought only on today's low p/e.




To: NikhilJog who wrote (49707)10/9/2012 6:10:44 PM
From: Brian Sullivan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78744
 
They continue to make 95% of the disk drives needed for Data Centers and Web Services.

The storage requirements for the internet continues to grow exponentially.
The refer to this as TAM: total addressable market in their conference calls.

The hard drive remains the cheapest and densest way to store these bits.



To: NikhilJog who wrote (49707)10/10/2012 11:27:32 AM
From: Dennis 3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 78744
 
If you think WDC is a value trap go through the CF/BS statement line by line and see if they are inflating earnings by under spending in one category and over spending in another. So far I can't see any. They appear to be depressed because of perception of death of p/c, thai floods etc.

Also earnings weren't inflated by higher pc sales or IT hardware spending this year. Will windows 8 cause a greater demand for PC's (and hard drives)????