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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (145696)10/13/2012 1:42:11 PM
From: Carolyn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224858
 
So he sent 4. Didn't get anywhere, did he? Probably because he was not an Obama contributor.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (145696)10/13/2012 1:50:13 PM
From: longnshort3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224858
 
Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate

Written By: Steve Foley

| October 12, 2012



From Breitbart:

Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

10. “With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey….not a single thing he said is accurate.” At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar–when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy’s apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria’s dictator a “reformer”; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

9. “The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times….This is a bunch of stuff.” While they have met several times–not a dozen–that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama’s refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead–a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel’s enemies.

8. “Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires.” Biden’s “millionaires” are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as “millionaires and billionaires,” distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

7. “You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels.” Biden’s cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about “death panels” in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention “death panels”–he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

6. “The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for.” Biden’s lie about Ryan’s budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security–and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan’s proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security–the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

5. “No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon.” Biden’s attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration–believing it knew better than its predecessors–tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

4. “No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise…has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact.” No, it is not a fact–it is the opposite of a fact, and saying “that is a fact” does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

3. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card…I was there. I voted against him.” Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush’s plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton’s speech to the Democratic National Convention: “It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did.”

2. “What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back — applied it to Medicare.” Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be–if the same $716 billion wasn’t also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can’t double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that–and hurts, not helps, the program’s solvency.

1. “Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again.” Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration–specifically, the State Department–had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (145696)10/13/2012 1:52:02 PM
From: joefromspringfield2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224858
 
The war between the Catholic Church and the Obama regime continues.

Catholic Bishops Blast Biden for Debate Lies

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Joe Biden, who is Catholic, long ago left Catholic doctrine behind with his stand on abortion, and today the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) called him out on his lie in last night’s debate about Catholic institutions being exempt from government control.
Last night Biden said:

With regard to the assault on the Catholic Church, let me make it absolutely clear. No religious institution — Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital — none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact. That is a fact.

No, it’s not, and the USCCB harshly condemned Biden for lying. In a statement, they said:

This is not a fact. The HHS mandate contains a narrow, four-part exemption for certain ‘religious employers.’ That exemption was made final in February and does not extend to ‘Catholic social services, Georgetown hospital, Mercy hospital, any hospital,’ or any other religious charity that offers its services to all, regardless of the faith of those served.

The USCCB added that HHS has used an additional “accommodation” that called religious organizations like these "non-exempt." The USCCB asserted that the organizations will have to serve as a vehicle to get contraception “because they will still be forced to provide their employees with health coverage, and that coverage will still have to include sterilization, contraception, and abortifacients. USCCB continues to urge HHS, in the strongest possible terms, actually to eliminate the various infringements on religious freedom imposed by the mandate.”

This is nowhere near the first lie Biden has told; but it certainly ranks with his best, if he really believes in the same God Catholics do. It’s understandable that Biden gets confused; he has to choose between the Judeo-Christian God (who may punish him later) and the one in the White House (who will punish him now.). But if the Catholic Church rises up and advises its constituents to rebuke Obama/Biden for their attacks on virtually everything the Catholic Church holds dear, there may be justice served much earlier than Biden thinks.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (145696)10/13/2012 2:05:37 PM
From: TideGlider2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224858
 
The people of Wisconsin paid taxes and continue to pay taxes for the "stimulus" . Is there some reason they should not benefit from the money for which they were and will be taxed?

You continue to make that argument as you have in the past. If The federal government has removed responsibility of Wisconsin for that grand ferderal expenditure, I would agree they have no business requesting it. However, it is not a "Little Red Hen" analogy.

Biden was wrong. Ryan sent at least four requests for stimulus funds.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (145696)10/13/2012 4:31:45 PM
From: DanDerr3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224858
 
So what. He's a Congressman servicing his constituents. If Obama wants to break the bank giving money away, better Wisconsin businesses than huge amounts to cronies and failing green companies! Wisconsin did not get any; only failures got money it seems! Obama picks losers - a different form of Redistribution. Hmmm, I wonder how much has made it's way back to the Obama Campaign??