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To: miraje who wrote (14579)	12/1/1997 4:24:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24154

the relevant question is the validity of the message, or lack thereof, not the credentials of the messenger. That may be, but nobody brought up credentials except you. Of course, I am extremely familiar with ad hominem attacks, having received plenty myself in this forum. If you want to argue the validity of the message I quoted in 14577, be my guest, it sure looks like nonsense to me. ACSA's OFFICE OF PUBLIC ADVOCACY stated: "The Gang of Five's Network Computer is based on the X-Station developed originally in 1971 as a Telex-like or IBM 3270-like terminal. Want to take a crack at that one? Do you consider this message valid? I never heard of ACSA until it came up in the Microsoft antitrust context. There are no names listed on their web site except a lawyer, a PR guy, and a bunch of extremely dubious sounding researchers. And, the only current occupation of the organization seems to be the defense of Microsoft, undertaken in an embarassingly looney tunes style. If they'd brought in the Queen of England, I'd think it was the next incarnation of Lyndon LaRouche. Is this really the best you Microphiles can do? I doubt Charles "Rick" Rule would stoop to this level of exposition. Cheers, Dan. P.S. As far as I can tell, NOISE was a derisive acronym created by Microsoft, so if you think "Gang of Five" is more resonant, perhaps you should email Bill.

To: miraje who wrote (14579)	12/1/1997 8:54:00 PM
From: cheryl williamson	Respond to of 24154

JB, Speaking of politics, MSFT has just gained a new critic: private citizen Bob Dole. Bill Gates should be congratulated on his ability to piss people off. It will be MSFT's undoing. Mr. Dole, a lawyer who represents some (unknown) computer companies, wrote a very persuasive article in the paper yesterday (11/30) indicating that MSFT needs to follow the anti-trust statutes just like everyone else. Do my ears deceive me? Is this pro-NAFTA, pro-free-trade, anti government regulation, Republican presidential candidate Robert Dole speaking?? Indeed it is. Suddenly pure political theory runs into the reality of monopoly capitalism and the government regulations banning contract tying from the early days of this century gain currency when applied to the case of DOJ vs. MSFT. Whether you, or anyone else, believes that Mr. Dole is biased because of his clientele is beside the point. He has credibility with the American public and most people will take him at his word on this one. If you can get your hands on the article, I suggest you read it. It's down-home, folksy, reasonable, and thoughtful. He states that he likes MSFT & its CEO, who he has met. I predict that the DOJ is going to win this one, if MSFT doesn't do something to moderate their behavior. The public sentiment is against MSFT & Bill Gates is not helping his own cause. cheers, cherylw