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To: koan who wrote (33485)11/7/2012 10:06:09 AM
From: longnshort2 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
It is truly a sad day for our country. There are so many who just don't "get it".

This is from a college friend of mine, a very successful businessman. He has employed close to 100 people for years, providing jobs so they can raise families, buy homes, build futures for themselves and their families.

He is just one of tens of thousands who will act in this way, and I don't blame him one bit:

Today I start laying off 52 people to get under the Obamacare insurance mandate and pay the fine instead.

Today I will NOT order new trucks to replace my aging fleet of junk.

This year is the last year I contribute matching funds to the companies 401-K plan so I can offset the penalties I will incur for not having company health care any more.

Hope all you no-business morons that voted for socialism are happy because you just screwed the engine that makes this country work. I am checking out.




h/t play it down



To: koan who wrote (33485)11/8/2012 1:53:50 PM
From: TimF1 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
The Silly Fact-Check Genre
November 6, 2012, 8:41 am

I do not agree with Mitt Romney's implied protectionism in his ads, particularly when he says
Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China

The problem with Obama's intervention in the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies was cronyism -- the protection of favored insiders to the detriment of the operation of the rule of law -- rather than any accelerated globalization. The auto industry is a global business, deal with it. We should be thrilled that Chrysler is participating in the Chinese economy, an opportunity they would not have had a generation or two ago. This kind of populist BS is exactly why I voted Johnson, not Romney, this morning.

Anyway, this statement has been subject to a lot of "fact-checking." Chrysler head Sergio Marchionne wrote a letter in the Detroit News, and while he did not attempt to deny the part about Italians (though that would have been funny), he did write:
Chrysler Group's production plans for the Jeep brand have become the focus of public debate.

I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.

OK, thanks for the clarification. But wait, the letter goes on. He spends a lot of time explaining how Chrysler is investing a lot in Jeep SUV development and production, and that many jobs are being added making Jeeps. In fact, Jeep SUV's seem to be the big bright spot in the Chrysler turnaround, which is funny because Obama's logic for handing Chrysler over to Fiat for about a dollar was that Fiat would turn Chrysler around with all of its great small car designs.

Anyway, the really interesting part comes late in the article, where he says in paragraph 9:
Together, we are working to establish a global enterprise and previously announced our intent to return Jeep production to China, the world's largest auto market, in order to satisfy local market demand, which would not otherwise be accessible.

So Chrysler ... is going to build Jeeps in China.

This is why the whole "fact check" genre is so stupid. We could fact-check this three ways, depending on what political axe we want to grind:
  1. We could say that Romney's ad was exactly correct, that Chrysler's CEO says it is going to build Jeeps in China, just as Romeny said. Romney's statement is literally true as written, which one would think might be a good criteria for a fact-check.
  2. We could say that Romney's ad was misleading, because the implication was meant to be that Chrysler is shifting North American production to China, and they are not ( Politifact took this tack).
  3. We could argue that Romney's entire premise is wrong, because what matters to long-term economic health and wealth creation in this country is that Chrysler is making the optimum production decisions, wherever the factories end up. And further, that making these decisions the subject of political discourse virtually guarantees they will be made for reasons other than optimizing efficiency. This is the fact-check I would make but you will not hear in mainstream media fact-checks, because the level of economic ignorance on trade in most of the media is simply astonishingly high.
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To: koan who wrote (33485)11/8/2012 1:55:04 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
Romney was nuts not to push for saving the car compnaies straight up if he wanted to be president.

Possibly misguided politically ("nuts" is too strong), but correct as a matter of substantive policy.



To: koan who wrote (33485)11/8/2012 1:56:28 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 85487
 
Cronyism and the GM/Chrysler Bailouts
November 5, 2012, 4:08 pm

Companies and assets don't go *poof* in a bankruptcy. In fact, if any of you are even somewhat of a frequent airline flyer, over the last 10 years you likely flew an airline in bankruptcy. Companies operate all the time, sometimes for years, out of Chapter 11. In fact, that is what chapter 11 is all about -- helping creditors get more value from a company by keeping it in operation (only in truly hopeless cases, like Solyndra, is liquidation a higher value outcome for creditors than continued operation).

As such, then, the Obama Administration did not "save" GM and Chrysler, it simply managed their bankruptcy to political ends, shifting the proceeds from those guaranteed them by the rule of law to cronies and political allies. In the process, they kept these companies on essentially the same path that led them to bankruptcy in the first place, only with a pile of taxpayer money to blow so they could hang around for a while.

To this end, the WSJ has a great editorial on the whole mess
In a true bankruptcy guided by the law rather than by a sympathetic, rule-bending political task force, GM and Chrysler would have more fully faced their competitive challenges, enjoyed more leverage to secure union concessions, and had the chance to divest money-losing operations like GM's moribund Opel unit. True bankruptcy would have lessened the chance that GM and Chrysler will stumble again, a very real possibility in the brutally competitive auto industry.

Certainly President Obama threw enough money at GM and Chrysler to create a short-term turnaround, but if the auto makers find themselves on hard times and return to Washington with hats in hand, his policy will have been no rescue at all.

I will refer the reader back to my editorial way back in 2005 why it was OK to let GM die

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