To: Greg or e who wrote (608 ) 11/16/2012 7:56:06 AM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2133 "You do know about Solon's pedophile poems don't you" LOL!! I DO KNOW that for some odd (and undeclared) reason you wish to discuss ancient Greek culture in which Pederasty (love between men and teenaged boys) was practiced! As our western democracy rests on the shoulders of these great people, you are just going to have to learn to live with the facts of how their culture differed from ours! You are particularly fascinated with Solon--the Father of Western Democracy and one of the "Seven Sages"! I did a search for you to see what I could come up with and I find references to a poem fragment as follows: "Toys with a fair boy on his breast the livelong day!" Clearly (and studies of Greek history and culture are unequivocal about this), bisexuality was a norm in many ancient cultures. It is just something you will need to learn to live with! They are all dead now, Sport! Don't let those gallant boys live in your head! excerpt: "one finds many authors who openly write about homosexuality in poetry and prose (with no restraints). In The Clouds, Aristophanes portrays homosexuality as a common and normal aspect of human existence and sexuality. Theocrites, Achilles Tatius, and Solon also condone homosexuality. Solon writes in his poem “Boys and Sport:”2 Blest is the man who loves and after early play Whereby his limbs are supple made and strong Retiring to his house with wine and song Toys with a fair boy on his breast the livelong day! As is obvious, Eros for young boys was something that writers of poetry and prose felt they did not need to be ashamed of or hide." en.wikipedia.org "Historically, pederasty has existed as a variety of customs and practices within different cultures. The status of pederasty has changed over the course of history, at times considered an ideal and at other times a crime. In the history of Europe, its most structured cultural manifestation was Athenian pederasty , and became most prominent in the 6th century BC . Greek pederasty's various forms were the subject of philosophic debates in which the carnal type was unfavorably compared with erotic yet spiritual and moderate forms. The legal status of pederasty in most countries is currently determined by whether or not the boy has reached the local age of consent . Illegal forms of pederasty for the purposes of law enforcement fall under child sexual abuse ." As I have made it clear to you on numerous occasions: I support the Canadian Human Rights Act! I support the rights of people to be either bisexual or homosexual--if they choose. And I completely condemn any sexual activity with minors--as per the above paragraph. Now, have all your troubling questions been answered!? Or do you have an inner need to explore Greek culture further!? ;-) They do have university courses on Greek culture, you know! Or you could do something really really brave and step outside of your comfort zone and into a book store!! You ought not to feel chained to a reliance on me for your education in these matters! Given that you have now made dozens of posts wondering about Greek culture and how Greek sexual norms differed from ours and revealing your utter fascination with same-sex occurences in history...might I suggest you start a "pederasty in ancient cultures" thread where you can let out the inner boy in you!! Good luck with your continued exploration of your inner self. You are a brave young fellow!