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To: carranza2 who wrote (524471)	11/25/2012 10:19:40 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	6 Recommendations Respond to of 793964

i think obama's attitude about morsi are pretty reflective of how he sees himself, then again he is a very smart man working with a false premise <gg>: nakedcapitalism.com This Real News Network interview with Hamid Dabashi discusses the drivers and ramifications of Mohammed Morsi’s usurpation of democratic checks on the president. Dabashi mentions a New York Times story: The New York Times yesterday had a new article about the understanding that is emerging between Obama and Morsi so far as Gaza is concerned—and Obama has a deeply corrupting influence. While that no doubt has some truth, I believe this is the story Dabashi was referring to, “ Egyptian President and Obama Forge Link in Gaza Deal,” and I was struck by these passages: Over the course of the next 25 minutes, he and President Mohamed Morsi of Egypt hashed through ways to end the latest eruption of violence, a conversation that would lead Mr. Obama to send Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to the region. As he and Mr. Morsi talked, Mr. Obama felt they were making a connection. Three hours later, at 2:30 in the morning, they talked again…. Mr. Obama told aides he was impressed with the Egyptian leader’s pragmatic confidence. He sensed an engineer’s precision with surprisingly little ideology. Most important, Mr. Obama told aides that he considered Mr. Morsi a straight shooter who delivered on what he promised and did not promise what he could not deliver. “The thing that appealed to the president was how practical the conversations were — here’s the state of play, here are the issues we’re concerned about,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. “This was somebody focused on solving problems.” Aieee. Morsi spent 8 years in the US, getting his PhD in materials science and then serving as an assistant professor. I’ve seen this again and again with Japanese in particular, but in general with foreign nationals working for US companies in overseas offices. Americans who haven’t worked in a foreign country tend not to recognize how easily they are seduced by nationals who are Americanized, and gravitate towards them over more talented but less bicultural professionals. This section reads as if Morsi knew the stakes involved in getting Obama in his camp, and knew how to sell to an American, and Obama acts as if he didn’t recognize he was being sold. Put it another way: what 11 dimensional chess theory can you give me for this story being positive for Obama? Letting the media on to some sort of newly formed personal rapport with Morsi probably isn’t good for Morsi with ordinary Egyptians, although it may be a plus in terms of his standing with the military. And as for how much things have changed in Egypt, I have my own teeny data point. The Egyptian ambassador’s permanent residence is in my building. Arab Spring came and went, and we still have the same ambassador. And trust me, he looked pretty glum for a man whose profession is to be unruffled when the demonstrations first broke out. From Real News Network: Read more at nakedcapitalism.com

To: carranza2 who wrote (524471)	11/25/2012 12:11:20 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

It seems increasingly likely that Egypt will return to its time-worn pattern of democratic promises followed by dictatorship Egypt is a large nation, and very poor. They are importing about 50% of the calories they consume - and they are out of money. Tens of millions of human beings are subsisting on a buck or two a day, and that's including food, shelter - everything. It seems that things in that nation are likely to get worse before they get better. It could become a huge tragedy. They need economic reforms (and maybe cultural ones) - and pretty urgently. In the meantime, a strong central government may be the only alternative to warlordism, chaos and anarchy. There is no way to be certain what he is up to, but maybe this is what Morsi is attempting to avoid. Or, of course, he may be using the "crisis" to consolidate his own - and the Bro's - power. Looks like they got themselves into a pretty tight corner.

To: carranza2 who wrote (524471)	11/25/2012 1:12:16 PM
From: Little Joe	6 Recommendations Respond to of 793964

Why are you surprised, it is totally expected by me, and I suspect most on this thread. I guess you are surprised when the sun comes up in the morning. lj

To: carranza2 who wrote (524471)	11/29/2012 8:37:51 PM
From: X Y Zebra	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

Egypt is the ME's Argentina. oh my dog...... please..... Argentina may be full of fools..... but there is a gulf of presumption (on your part) to even consider the thought...... their worst problem is to be so blindly conceited, which leads them into making the stupidest mistakes (examples: elect juan peron, evita peron, and the current female maniac, peg their peso to the dollar, invade the falkland islands thinking britain would not come and beat their collective arse as they did... etc.. etc...) but to equate it to a bunch of fucking murdering gangsters... (aka extreme islamists) who think they are "civilized" is at best a stretch..... their former glory is a mere long ago memory, and that assumes they were not savages..... which could have been par for the course in their day.... the middle east (with the exception of israel) is an extraction from outer space that needs to have their sand converted to glass..... it will take an impossible amount of evidence to prove that their savage instincts (at large) not to be their measuring stick..... i have no idea what in your mind forced you to make such a statement..... but i guess that is your problem.... true the juntas were quite the killers, and since their days it has improved.... ( admittedly, there is lots of room for improvement) but far from the savagery that goes on daily in the middle east..... fucking middle east is history held back to the 13th century... at best... fuck them all extreme islamist... i don't care one iota for their apologist "moderates" and they are NOT anything like argentineans.....