To: Maurice Winn who wrote (96875 ) 12/1/2012 5:15:41 PM From: bart13 3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 219913 ...whine about government debt, bankruptcy, taxes and one thing and another As it has been for millennia. Sheep exist in all political organizations or movements... there is a fiscal cliff in the way. It has been there for about at least a decade, nothing new. What is new is that many more are aware of it, and at least some of its implications... amongst the majority of those feeding at the Bernays troughs.There seems to be a very long list of people who are against Libertarianism but who have no idea what it means. Get 10 libertarians together and you'll get 5 different opinions about what it is, as it actually applies to them and their personal groups. Get 10 Libertarians (the actual party itself) together and you'll get 5 different opinions about what it should actually be or what it is. At least they do actually have a platform, but ~80% of folk who call themselves Libertarians or libertarians have little clue what it actually consists of and its ramifications. The huge majority of both groups have, for at least 3 decades, been more interested in purity and talk-talk and posing and similar rather than getting something changed or done... much like most Occupiers or most Randians, aka dilettantes. The Demolishers and the Reprobates will not change their fascistic or socialist traits & trends until SHTF big time, but after the next one (or the one after if they somehow successfully put together a massive can kicking festival) at least the 'elite' psychopathic types will have quite the "religious experience". The core of the American evolution numbered less than a few hundred...