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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RetiredNow who wrote (128322)	12/2/2012 1:11:07 PM
From: Wharf Rat	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

"the minute people realize they can vote themselves a paycheck, then the end is already in sight. We're already evolving, or should I say devolving." Well, then we've been devolving since '36. Since then, we've built Hoover Dam, won a bunch of wars and put their warriors thru college,, stalemated a bunch of wars (put them thru school, too), split the atom, put spider genes in goats, gone to the moon, invented the internet, and lifted a bunch of elderly out of poverty. Devolution sounds pretty damn good to me. Wish we would devolve into the Green Energy Nation.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (128322)	12/2/2012 4:12:23 PM
From: tejek	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

What Defines A Serious Deficit Proposal? Just a thought: if you follow the pundit discussion of matters fiscal, you get the definite impression that some kinds of deficit reduction are considered “serious”, while others are not. In particular, the Obama administration’s call for higher revenue through increased taxes on high incomes — which actually goes considerably beyond just letting the Bush tax cuts for the top end expire — gets treated with an unmistakable sneer in much political discussion, as if it were a trivial thing, more about staking out a populist position than it is about getting real on red ink. On the other hand, the idea of raising the age of Medicare eligibility gets very respectful treatment — now that’s serious. So I thought I’d look at the dollars and cents — and even I am somewhat shocked. Those tax hikes would raise $1.6 trillion over the next decade; according to the CBO, raising the Medicare age would save $113 billion in federal funds over the next decade. So, the non-serious proposal would reduce the deficit 14 times as much as the serious proposal. I guess we have to understand the definition of serious: a proposal is only serious if it punishes the poor and the middle class. krugman.blogs.nytimes.com