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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Gary Mohilner who wrote (128352)	12/3/2012 5:40:18 AM
From: koan	Respond to of 149317

<<The problem with the Democrat's is when they are in control, rather than following the President, they fight. If the Democrat's were to act, instead of argue, the Republican's couldn't regain power, that is the Republican's of today.>> We dems debste the complexity of the ideas. What makes us strong and usually right is the fact we debste the issues. Unlike the pubs who walk down the road of insanity in goose step. Will Rogers was asked which party he belonged to. He said: I don't belong to an organized party, I am a Democrat."-g <<I believe the Republican's will become a more moderate party eliminating the influence of the Tea Party almost entirely as a means of survival. If they fail to make this change, if they take us over the cliff financially at the end of the year, I doubt they'll maintain a majority in the House in 2 years and they'll have further losses in the Senate.>> I don't for these reasons: 1) they would have to become pro choice - not going to happen 2) they would have to leave their religion behind for social and hard science - not going to happen 3) they would have to support public education over vouchers - not going to happen 4) they would have to be for gay marriage - not going to happen 5) they would have to be for undocumented aliens folding into our society - not going to happen 6) they would have to give up their war on women - not going to happen 7) they would have to be willing to cut defense - not going to happen 8) they would have to be in favor of large government and high taxes - not going to happen 9) they would have to be for universal health care and near free education - not going to happen 10) they would have to be agaisnt the death penalty - not going to happen I could keep going. These things are stamped into their culture. <<If on the other hand the Republican's were to work with the Democrat's to improve the healthcare plan and honestly assess changes that can and should be made in both spending and taxation, then the party has a chance to grow, though it will be a greatly changed party. Without those changes I doubt the Republican's will have much influence 4 or 8 years from now, it will be a dozen years or more before the American people see them as a viable alternative to the Democrat's. While this shouldn't bother me as a Democrat, it does because I put country well above party, and I believe that our parties working together can do far more for us than when party dogma is put above the country.>. Not going to happen. I wouldn't worry too much about having dems in favor for the next 20 years. The Republicans have no viable philosophy for the dems to coordinate with. That is the reason there are no true right wing intellectuals. MSNBC is a reflection of the Democratic party and FOX is the reflection of the Republican party. That says it all to me. <<The leadership of both parties should be sitting down with the President and/or his advisors and working on resolving financial issues and continue working until they've reached a decisions worthy of sufficient support from both sides. They don't need 100% of either party, just enough agreement to pass what's agreed to.>> Yes they should, but it is not going to happen, unless the dems force it by playing the four aces they are holding; and they need to play the game out ot its end which means going over the fiscal cliff.

To: Gary Mohilner who wrote (128352)	12/3/2012 6:59:55 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

“The Republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. In fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. Their plan includes nothing new and provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which Medicare savings they would achieve. Independent analysts who have looked at plans like this one have concluded that middle class taxes will have to go up to pay for lower rates for millionaires and billionaires. While the President is willing to compromise to get a significant, balanced deal and believes that compromise is readily available to Congress, he is not willing to compromise on the principles of fairness and balance that include asking the wealthiest to pay higher rates. President Obama believes—and the American people agree—that the economy works best when it is grown from the middle out, not from the top down. Until the Republicans in Congress are willing to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates, we won’t be able to achieve a significant, balanced approach to reduce our deficit our nation needs.” politico.com