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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (36115)12/5/2012 3:49:28 PM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356
 
I told you they were rewriting history. They know they need to get rid of the holocene optimum just like the medieval and Roman warming periods

But wait a minute, since you're admitting the arctic (being located in the northern hemisphere) was warmer for half of each year during the holocene optimum, how come the polar bears didn't all die and the methane melt and cause the dreaded tipping point?



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (36115)12/5/2012 10:12:05 PM
From: Hawkmoon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 86356
 
In summary, the mid-Holocene, roughly 6,000 years ago, was generally warmer than today, but only in summer and only in the northern hemisphere. More over, we clearly know the cause of this natural warming, and know without doubt that this proven “astronomical” climate forcing mechanism cannot be responsible for the warming over the last 100 years.
ncdc.noaa.gov

Been thinking about this, and those 7000 year old tree stumps that were uncovered recently under a receding glacier.. And I re-read this article from the scientist who researched it. He carbon dated other such trees that have been uncovered by receding glaciers and they ALL seem to confirm the same time frame, 7,000 years ago. Thus, the assertion that it was only warmer during the summer in the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE seems to be incorrect..

Koch compared the kill dates of the trees in the southern and northern Coast Mountains of British Columbia and those in the mid- and southern Rocky Mountains in Canada to similar records from the Yukon Territory, the European Alps, New Zealand and South America. He also looked at the age of Oetzi, the prehistoric mummified alpine "Iceman" found at Niederjoch Glacier, and similarly well-preserved wood from glaciers and snowfields in Scandinavia. The radiocarbon dates seem to be the same around the world, according to Koch. It's important to note that there have been many advances and retreats of these glaciers over the past 7000 years, but no retreats that have pushed them back so far upstream as to expose these trees.

Read more at: phys.org

But something DID push those glaciers back to points beyond present day, permitting those trees to grow over a stable period of years. Which means temperatures had to have been higher, and not just in summertime, to permit those forests to grow to maturity and over a long period of time (not just a few trees here and there)..

It would appear that NOAA's conclusions may need to be revisited and challenged to determine if they are actually correct.

And THAT is what science is all about.. Having your conclusions challenged until they can no longer be logically refuted.

Hawk