To: Greg or e who wrote (989 ) 12/6/2012 7:00:28 AM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2133 Nice to know you are so angry but you did not address any of my points. Nobody in the world would look after a fertilized egg if it were never to grow or change or develop attributes. Because the fertilized egg is not yet a human person. This shows that human DNA is irrelevant. What counts is human personhood. So there are two main aspects to the abortion discussion. Is the egg at the time of most abortions a person. Definitely not. An egg has potential value because it is a potential person. Secondly, can a non-person or a person (either/ or) hook up to the body of an established person and remain hooked up against that person's will or wishes? The very obvious answer is NO. Everybody knows this and nobody (especially not YOU) would voluntarily submit to the forcible violation of their Will--and their Right to their own autonomy of body, mind, and spirit. Message 28587335 <<"The human life aspect is hotly contested and studied in the Scientific community." No it's not. The only ones who are arguing against the FACT that Human life begins at conception are people like you...'>> As usual, you misunderstand and run at the mouth. Ignorance is what you are about. I was talking about the PRECISE moment in biology in which human life begins. Some scientists argue it begins precisely when sperm and egg cells fuse. Others argue it begins at syngamy--about a day later. Again, it is not about human DNA. It is not contested (other than for seconds or hours) when it is human life--but rather when we consider the egg as a human PERSON rather than a potential person. Try to follow along... "why do you keep adding egg and sperm to the argument when you already conceded that they are irrelevant" Because they are completely relevant . Because I am trying to teach you the concept of potentiality. We would not consider a sperm , an egg, or a fertilized egg as objects of care even though they are all potential humans--further or closer to the actualization. They all lack something (indeed--many, many things) on the road to personhood. The sperm lacks a complete complement of dna. The fertilized egg lacks a brain, a nervous system, a body, etc. If they were never to add to these missing pieces of personhood, we would see no value in them. Their actual value is nil. Their potential value is whatever value you would attach to a person. As I have said, nobody would care for a fertilized egg which was never to grow or change because even a dunce knows that the egg at that point is an egg and not a person--which only value is potential rather than actual. So, the reason I remind you of sperm and egg is to emphasize and hammer home to you the point being made, that they are indeed relevant and that what is irrelevant is the fact of having human DNA. The difference between the sperm outside the egg and inside the egg is a split second. They are both potential human persons. When they unite they are 1 second closer to realizing that potential.