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To: Solon who wrote (31547)12/8/2012 11:31:47 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
The GOP has courted fundamentalists continually whose view of their own religious beliefs is that they should be imposed on everyone else . To maintain these uncompromising zealots as allies, they in turn found themselves forced into doing their bidding which was to try to enact laws that impose fundamentalist christian beliefs on everyone else. The world is changing , modernity is a fact, the old gives way to new attitudes & definitions and it is demonstrated that not only gays can be long term caring partners in commited couple relationships but also caring commited parents too.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all arose when the world was still relatively underpopulated and childhood mortality was quite high. Ascending religions accommodate and sanctify social values until they become so powerful that they can dictate them. These three "great" religions sanctified sexual relations that would produce children in supportive families, while condemning all other modes of sexual relations or marriage. But perhaps we live in

Of course an established religion can never say it was wrong about a previously sanctified position, doing so is tantamount to admitting that it isn't or wasn't uttering the pure word of its deity or worse that its deity can be wrong or fickle. To fundamentalists, marriage equality is about far more than love and/or sex, it's about their ability to maintain the aura, to continue to convince themselves, that their religious beliefs are not mere personal beliefs, but the only true and universally valid beliefs about the world and all existence.






To: Solon who wrote (31547)12/8/2012 11:48:09 PM
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Joseph Campbell has what i think the enlightened look at marriage here , it does not prescribe same sex but stresses the higher commitment & deeper responsibilities for he chance of participation thru love in the existence of another's life . The benefits are of being mutually responsible & committed...
johnmichaeldemarco.com

"The fourth level of love is that of spouse to spouse, and here there is the business of the androgyne, of identification with the Other. You have found the god in your heart, and now the god is found in this intimate and most enduring kind of relationship. That’s why marriage is regarded, in such traditions, as a permanent affair. There is only one chance to have this type of experience. Nuns wear a wedding ring, because they are brides of Christ. Their relationship is to this invisible spouse, which, on the spiritual level, is good enough."

"Anyone who gets married is going to have problems with daily chores, because the problem of a household is on you whether you are a male or a female...but you can make wonderful little ritual experiences out of the things that have to get done, and life can ride beautifully on these events. I think it is a failure to accept the tangibilities of two people living together that makes marriages break up." "Marriage is not a love affair, it’s an ordeal. It is a religious exercise, a sacrament, the grace of participating in another life."

"Successful marriage is leading innovative lives together, being open, non-programmed. It’s a free fall: how you handle each new thing as it comes along. As a drop of oil on the sea, you must float, using intellect and compassion to ride the waves." "For the gentle heart, marriage must first be spiritual, then comes physical consummation."

"The idea of the gentle heart involves a sense of responsibility to the person. If that is not there, you have not got love, you’ve got something else. If that is there, it will last." "What I am saying is, not that responsibility constitutes love, but that love without a sense of responsibility is not love. It’s taking possession. Are you trying to possess somebody? Or are you in a relationship?"

"What I see in marriage, then, is a real identification with that other person as your responsibility, and as the one whom you love. Committing yourself to anyone, turning your destiny over to a dual destiny, is a life commitment. To lose your sense of responsibility to the person who has given you that commitment because something comes along that enables you to think, “I'd like to fly off in this direction and forget that which has already been committed”—this is not marriage. I do not think you are married unless your relationship to your spouse has primary consideration in your life. It’s got to be top."



To: Solon who wrote (31547)12/9/2012 12:07:28 AM
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Homosexuality has been around since way before the human species developed. Stigmatizing it won't make it go away. Let them get married or whatever. I don't want to see placards from either "side" when I am driving about. Enough already. It should be a non-issue.

And its just hopefully going to become one of those issues of the past soon enough, gone extinct with all the other wrong headed approaches & alarmist stigmatizing that has always originated out of the frenetic ultra religious right politics of dictation.



To: Solon who wrote (31547)12/9/2012 12:10:17 AM
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One last interesting twist in this story is Ted Olson, former Solicitor General under George Bush administration & ultra conservative is the one that as been leading the charge in championing the marriage equality case before the Supreme Court, along with David Boies his former adversary in the Bush v Gore case , both acknowledged as two of the best legal minds in the country.
huffingtonpost.com

Theodore "Ted" Olson is one of the super heavyweight Supreme Court Lawers who was voted one of
TIME 100 greatest thinkers, (raised in Silicon valley , graduate of Boalt Hall School of Law no less )
en.wikipedia.org

Little factoid: the bathrooms at Boalt Hall School of Law have been non declared sex since 1972...



evol meme



To: Solon who wrote (31547)12/9/2012 2:16:52 PM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
"Homosexuality has been around since way before the human species developed. "

which shows it's not genetic or it would have been filtered out. thus it shows it is caused by a virus or bacteria. find that and we will eliminate homoism