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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (36411)	12/11/2012 5:28:54 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

The rate we are going, there will be about 100,000 great, great, great, great, great, great, great grand children as the sole descendants of the 7 billion of us now alive, living in underground communities. That's just utterly ridiculous!! I'm currently sitting in Bali, where it was 38 deg C today (before it started to pour cats and dogs).. There are 230+ million people who live on these tropical islands known as Indonesia. And they have been doing it for years, never having seen snow, or even a naturally occurring ice storm. And they show no signs of population abatement from my perspective. 50% of the population is actually under 30 years of age. So for you to believe that suddenly 7 billion people are going to waste away because normally colder parts of the planet actually warm up is utter fallacy, if not dysfunctional "Malthusian" thinking. You're simply going to be sadly disappointed. And I think that's increasingly what is behind the AGW argument. It's a platform for it's advocates to introduce population controls (because we breath CO2 and fart Methane).. But the reality is that the more a society develops industry and technology, the lower it's birthrate is. Look at Europe, Japan, and the US. Declining birthrates in all of those developed societies because parents no longer depend on having many children to insure they are provided for in their old age. As it stands now, the AGW debate is more about controlling people's access to development, particularly energy and industrialization (and making tonnes of money through trading the carbon credits they will be forced to acquire in order to develop even more).. This is why the AGW advocates will lose their argument. Countries will just not stand for having their development halted by expensive environmental economic "externalities". Therefore, in the interest of promoting cleaner air and water, I DO ADVOCATE the global development of a peaceful Thorium MSR program that provide clean and abundant electrical power that can be readily converted into other forms of hydrocarbon and heat energy. It's far better than "Banging out heads" against the "wall of development".. Hawk

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (36411)	12/11/2012 5:53:20 AM
From: Maurice Winn	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

4 bonus degrees would be very pleasant. It's summer here and too cold. We need more heat. < Yup; the average global temperature will be, conservatively, 4 degrees C higher, and rising. That will not be terribly conducive to life as we expect it to be. That's with luck; International Energy Admin says 6 degrees C. > Much of the world could use another 4 degrees too, or even 6 degrees. With all that methane in the air, do you think it could be sucked into a motor, have a bit more fuel added to get it up to combustible state, and run the motor on air [plus just a bit extra fuel]? < they'll be watching all the melting methane clathrates make the oceans bubble and explode.> Mqurice