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To: Stock moghul who wrote (9636)12/2/1997 8:56:00 PM
From: hpeace  Respond to of 39621
 
stock, I didn't say I was Luther....
I also, know that George Washington was christian but I would throw up thinking about doing some stuff he did.
Actually in other centuries christians did allot of things I wouldn't do....

But, other christians aren't my std., Jesus and the Word of God are my stds.
Being a Lutheran doesn't mean that you cannot love Jesus and God's word.
Luther was the father of Protestantism.
Luther's legacy wss he said that the bible should be the sole authority and that christians should know the Bible and should not obey a church that commanded you to do things contary to scripture.

So, it's easy to judge other christains and their faults.
Those used of God in the centuries before us were just as imperfect as we are. Luther was German who beleived that people have a realtionship with God through faith through grace and not out actions. And. the bible was our std. and every christian should have a bible.
Luther took allot of flack to get the church to anohter phase of where God wanted us.

It's these principles that make me a lutheran in my parody, but I never could agree wholeheartedly will the lutheran partyline Pre-distination is the biggest issue i have with all their beliefs.

As for anti-semitism,,,that is against scripture and everything that Jesus taught. I'm really only anti one thing...I'm anti- Satan..
that's it. You can pick any gross sin you want from murder to
you name it and I'm not against that person, just the deeds of that person and I can separate the person from the action and love the person but hate what they do....Jesus never said he hated the Pharisees, He said He hated the "deeds of the Pharisees".
Hope this explains the parody post I made.
PS...Pick Baptist and I'll tell you why I'm BAptist....
I beleive in water baptism<gg>

God Bless



To: Stock moghul who wrote (9636)12/3/1997 10:35:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Luther was never anti-semitic and had absolutely nothing to do with Nazism. He simply uncovered the hatred and antichritian teachings of Babylonbian Talmud--the bible of modern Talmudic Judaism. Incidentally, Luther's teacher on the Talmud was a converted Rabbi who was an expert on the Babylonian Talmud. To identify the truth about the hateful and antichristian teachings of The Babylonian Talmud, is not hatred. On the contrary, it helps both the Christians and the Jews to escape the darkness and death of the Babylonian Talmud.

Martin Luther wrote a book called The Jews and Their Lies. The book exposes the teachings of modern Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. It only exposes the reality that in every modern orthodox Talmudic Synagogue the little children as well as adults are taught to hate and reject the love of God expressed through Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Son of God. Luther's central thesis is still valid today. My wife, as a young Jewish girl, was asked to take an oath to forever reject Jesus Christ. Athough she had been raised as an atheist, she was the only one in her class that refused to take the oath.
An organization or "so=called religion" that teaches its children to hate God--Jesus Christ--is a very evil organization. It attempts to close the door to the only hope of salvation, light, and the love of God available to man--Jesus Christ. Talmudism warps these precious little children and even adults in a hatred towards God and His Son Jesus. The modern nation of Israel is the epitomizes this hatred against Jesus and His Body--the Church. Modern Zionist Israel is an antichrist nation and the human leader of all antichrist activity.
Thank God that, despite all of this Talmudic hatred against Christ, the Holy Spirit still enables Jewish people in every generation to escape this darkness of Talmudism and find the light and salvation of our Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ--it enables them to become the true Israel of God.



To: Stock moghul who wrote (9636)12/3/1997 11:04:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Ah. Stock Mogul within the ranks at last. God will either be pleased, or will be sending out angels to guard us all......smile. Smile Stock
Mogul, I'm smiling.

Now, if the very capable and learned in the ways of Christ Jesus here will forgive me, I think we should talk.

First of all. Anti-Semitism. Among Christians such a statement borders on the ludicrous. Of all humans on earth the true followers of Jesus Christ can hardly find a human or moral flaw in anyone who is a genetic Jew anymore, and if one of us points out that there are many, many, many gross and horrible flaws now blanketing the planet which flow directly from the minds and pocketbooks of the Chosen People, we are nearly crucified for pointing out reality. Nearly called Nazi ourselves. I have experienced this firsthand. So, of all people who MAY be anti-semitic, go to them. This is not the place.

Now, as for "Anti-semitic." What about nearly all Jewish people who have any sort of orthodox faith being just a little "Anti-Chrisitan." I went to George Washington University, and some time ago, at that, and I had the wonderful experience of
finding three totally Jewish guys who were also very, very
wonderful to look at and smart and all the things that lead to you spending time with them in a totally fleshly period of life, and all I can remember of any of those few dating moments was endless and morbid harranging on their part about how their mother would die, their father would die, the whole family would die and jump off a cliff together if they had any idea this guy was even
talking to gentiles. I learned yiddish in Washinton D. C., as almost every other person there seemed to be Jewish. I personally found most all Jewish people delightful and funny, but their constant references to shicktsas and goyem far exceeded anything I have ever found among my basically anglo universe.

As a matter of fact, your comment about Luther seemed to stir an absolute SWIRL of the memories of anti-Christian comments and loveable digs and little insults coming from Jewish people I have known and worked with of every nature for years and years and years. It was usually in love, but there was a time on the East
Coast when I knew all of the yiddish slang slamming non-Jews.

Point? I believe going back 500 years to find one monk who finally revolted successfully against the horrors of the Romish Church who was not fond of a religion which totally and absolutely precluded the belief in Jesus Christ, has little bearing, as Steve says, on, say, Steve. What I would like to know is this. Do you have proof or even hints that Luther in anyway harmed, was cruel to, or stirred up other people to hate or harm the jews living around him at that time. That would be horrible to me. And I'm not sure Luther means anything to me anyway, as I know little about him. As you will readily notice in history, there is not the love for Luther there is for Francis, Bernard, Agustine, and other people who were truly "saints". Luther was an angry monk who finally took history in his hands, and broke away from a spiritual horror, in my estimation, and for that I wish he were alive today so he could lead and I could follow. But that's me.

So, that's also reality. There was a movie "Reality Bites" . I didn't see it, but more and more as the world goes mad I find I personally need to address it. And I am finding it hard coping with more and more dead elephants in the front room. You know, those family and social matters that we all just ignore and pretend are not there because it is difficult to bring the subject up and talk about it?

Like the whole country? Like everything on T.V. Like the next generation to inherit the earth, and unfortunatly we will be living on it with them? Like scientists, occultists, psychics, all the tabloids, and the Learning Channel all screaming that the world is coming to an end? Like 300 elephants left in Kenya....
something like that. Maybe its 300 tigers in India. Does it matter.
OH YES, INDEED IT MATTERS.

And this will only get worse. It is off the topic, and an aside, but is it really? Anton Levey's famous quote about his worldwide religion:

At the altar of satan up is down, black is white, right is wrong, and pain is pleasure.

Well, get ready, because the altar of satan is about to be set up for
the people of earth to worship before it, up front and in your face!

Now, I am glad you're here, and usually I'm light and silly, but by all means do stay and talk things out. Maybe a break from your usual hangouts will clear your mind and bring you some new thought patterns. I'm curious. What caused you to swoop in here with the Luther bomb? Kind of reminded me of a little Red Baron move there.
But this is why I asked Shalom if we needed another thread to say things like this. Again, I apologize for speaking so boldly on a thread dedicated to discussing my Lord, but I believe you are important to Him also. And also, I hardly, hardly think you of all people on SI could be offended. After all, you thrive on offense and seem to love it, and this is meant not to offend but to discuss.