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To: Solon who wrote (1078)	12/17/2012 3:40:46 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2133

<The Greeks got around the rape charges by bribing the parents the same way Zeus bribed Ganymede's father.> "You claim that Greek pederasts bribed parents in order to forestall rape charges. This is odd since the father would have given his consent (approved) of the relationship." The parents and the boy were bribed by the Pederast and the child was either sold or manipulated to prostitute himself to the Man for what he and the Father by granting consent could get out of the sexual relationship. Did you even read the article I posted about the physical and emotional abuse that IS Pederasty? "Sex between Men and Boys in Classical Greece: Was It Education for Citizenship or Child Abuse?" Message 28604849 "We should not be afraid to call Greek pederasty a form of child abuse. This was not sex between consenting adults or even between two children discovering their sexuality in their own way and at their own pace, but the deliberate use of a child by an adult for the sexual gratification of the adult. ... If we call it rape or child abuse when the victim is a girl, we must do likewise when the victim is a boy. " ........................................................................ according to Pausanias' speech in the Symposium, in Ellis and Boeotia "the universal sentiment is simply in favor of these connections, and no one, whether young or old, has anything to say to their discredit."(8) "But in Ionia and other places, and generally in countries that are subject to the barbarians," pederasty is held in "evil repute."(9) Pausanias refers to Athenian attitudes as " perplexing ,"(10) for on the one hand, pederasty is regarded as honorable, but on the other, as disgraceful. Pederasty in Athens is most respected, Plato tells us, when it is open rather than secret and when the man is seeking "love of the noblest and highest."(11) And yet Athenian parents "forbid their sons to talk with their lovers, and place them under a tutor's care, and their companions and equals are personal in their remarks when they see anything of this sort going on, and their elders refuse to silence them and do not reprove their words; anyone who reflects on this will ... think that we hold these practices to be disgraceful."(12) The truth is that pederasty is honorable for those who follow it honorably and dishonorable for those who do not, Plato writes. Boys in Athens seem to have been quite vulnerable to sexual attack. Laws were passed to try to protect them from random attacks on the streets or in the gymnasia or schools. Slave boys, of course, enjoyed no protection at all from their masters, who could use them or female slaves at will. Yet pederasty in its respectable form involved neither violent rape nor the use of a submissive slave, but the ardent courting of a free boy. The man flattered the boy and plied him with gifts. He himself was all but carried away by the intense desire to gaze upon and touch his beautiful "beloved," and any sort of ridiculous behavior would be forgiven him in his pursuit of the boy. "He may pray, and entreat, and supplicate sup·pli·cate and lie on a mat at the door."(13) He might write poems and sing songs and follow his desired one about.(14) The boy was not supposed to give in to these approaches too readily, but to consider his options and accept for himself a good "lover," not out of reciprocal desire, but for the benefits the man could bestow on him. Many a boy may have been given by his father to whatever man could benefit the father as well as the boy.(15)